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re: Seems to me by NFL rules Colston scored.

Posted on 11/9/09 at 7:52 pm to
Posted by jpggpj
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Posted on 11/9/09 at 7:52 pm to
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There is no controversy, the player has to maintain possession all the way to the ground.

Well then your not reading or understanding what is being asked because Colston had complete control all the way down, two feet on the ground (which is what I would call down) and when the BALL HIT THE GROUND is when it came loose not on the way down. But what I'm gathering is if the ball comes loose after hitting the ground during a reception it goes down as incomplete, even if you have control the whole way down with both feet on the ground.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
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Posted on 11/9/09 at 7:56 pm to
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Because anytime a player is going to the ground he must maintain posession of the ball after hitting the ground. Same thing on a catch along the sidelines. Two feet in bounds and posession after hitting the ground


The ball hit the ground and came out, not Colston. Ground cannot cause fumble after possession.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
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Posted on 11/9/09 at 7:58 pm to
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Colston did not have complete control of that ball while in the air


Opinion, which is why the call is not all that bad. If it were called a TD, it would not have been over-turned.
Posted by jpggpj
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Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:06 pm to
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Colston did not have complete control of that ball while in the air

Did the refs say he didn't have control in the air? This is what I am trying to understand. If so then I do understand the rule. BUT if they did think he had control in the air and the ground knocked it out when he came down they would have said TD? This is what I really am trying to find out.
Posted by ThibodauxBengal
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Posted on 11/10/09 at 7:13 am to
Guys,read carefully. The player must have control ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND! On a sideline (including back of end zone) it does not matter if 2 feet are in with ball control if the player does not maintain complete possession after the player hits/rolls/whatever on the ground. It does not matter that the ball hit the ground in his outstretched arms. This is not a close call - let it go. It would have absolutely been overturned if it would have been called a TD on the field. It was not a catch, there is no controversy. If we would have loss the game it would not have been a controversy. It was 100% the right call.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 11/10/09 at 8:53 am to
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The player must have control ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND!


Most of us are understanding the rule but not understanding the logic of the rule. Do you understand?
Posted by ThibodauxBengal
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Posted on 11/10/09 at 11:45 am to
No, I guess I don't understand - it seems most of the posts are arguing against the call, not the logic of the rule. I have been told by an official that if the player has not established himself as a runner (by taking a few steps) then he has to keep the ball in possession after he hits the ground to rule it a catch. As far as the logic of the rule I really don't know. Does it make it easier on the official?
Just be glad the Saints don't have to use SEC officials!
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 11/10/09 at 11:48 am to
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No, I guess I don't understand - it seems most of the posts are arguing against the call, not the logic of the rule. I have been told by an official that if the player has not established himself as a runner (by taking a few steps) then he has to keep the ball in possession after he hits the ground to rule it a catch. As far as the logic of the rule I really don't know. Does it make it easier on the official?
Just be glad the Saints don't have to use SEC officials!


THen why are LSU Fans saying Peterson's INT was a pick? He caught, had foot down in bounds... end of story. Different logics is being applied. Tell your official friend to get a real j.o.b.
Posted by Eternalmajin
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Posted on 11/10/09 at 11:48 am to
First off, by rule it's not a catch. Ask Oakland from their first game against SD. What sucks is you'll occasionally see it called a catch.

Now, I thought the rule isn't just going to the ground, but if you're contacted while going to the ground making the catch, you have to maintain possession throughout. It looked like Colston had full possession and feet down before he was contacted (after seeing it again, only 1 foot was down before contact). But, I don't know the exact rule.

Even with the ball hitting the ground first in full possession, he can't lose the ball and keep the catch. It's a shame, it's a rule I would like to see them alter because there have been a good bit of cases this year where a clear touchdown catch was negated because the player was slammed to the ground afterwards and the ball jiggled a bit. Many of those that when you see it you know it's a full possession 2-feet-down catch, but the technicality overrules it.
Posted by CovingtonTiger
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Posted on 11/10/09 at 5:15 pm to
Thibodaux, I was wonderig if the rule changed in any respect because Colston was in the endzone. I thought the rule was, once the player established possession in the endzone, the play was over and a touchdown.

But, what I understand from your post is that, according to the rule, Colston was never considered to be in possession of the ball in the endzone becuase he did not hold onto it through contact with the ground. Is that the interpretation?
Posted by jpggpj
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Posted on 11/10/09 at 8:36 pm to
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becuase he did not hold onto it through contact with the ground.

And how soon does this take place because if he were to catch it and take a few steps, the ground cannot cause a fumble. I guess it cannot be a fumble if it is never considered a catch though?
Posted by ThibodauxBengal
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Posted on 11/10/09 at 8:52 pm to
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THen why are LSU Fans saying Peterson's INT was a pick? He caught, had foot down in bounds... end of story. Different logics is being applied. Tell your official friend to get a real j.o.b.

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If Peterson would have fallen on the ground out of bounds and lost control of the ball (even if the ref's would have ruled his 2 feet were in bounds) then it would not have been considered a catch. I do not recall Peterson hitting the ground and losing the ball. If he did then I would agree that it was not an INT. Totally different situations. Learn how to u.n.d.e.r.s.t.a.n.d.
Posted by ThibodauxBengal
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Posted on 11/10/09 at 8:56 pm to
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But, what I understand from your post is that, according to the rule, Colston was never considered to be in possession of the ball in the endzone becuase he did not hold onto it through contact with the ground. Is that the interpretation?


Covington, that is my understanding. I have since talked to another ref who confirms the same. The ref on the field made the call and the booth confirmed. As previously noted, though I know NFL refs make some mistakes, these are not SEC refs!
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 11/10/09 at 9:27 pm to
Hargrove also did not score- he was touched while his left knee was down.

at 3:36.

But I digress.

8-0
This post was edited on 11/10/09 at 9:29 pm
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