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re: Schefter: Saints sign Taysom to extension
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:25 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:25 am to Fun Bunch
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Or it could tell us what I said. They don't want to have to change the offense IN SEASON for a short-ish period of time.
Bunch, a 30yr old QB with 10 career passes needs reps. His development is already severely severely stunted given his age, lack of experience, and poor throwing measures. If he is your guy, he needs game reps.
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They can think Taysom could be the starter of the future while still wanting to maintain options.
This theory goes against all logic & principles of quality QB development. I haven’t been so sure if something in a while. Focus on what they do, not what they say.
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:26 am to Lester Earl
You may end up being right, but I don't think its as black and white as you are saying.
Just look at what Hill is getting paid. They would not have paid him that if they were sure.
They aren't sure. They want options and think he COULD be the future starter but really don't know.
Just look at what Hill is getting paid. They would not have paid him that if they were sure.
They aren't sure. They want options and think he COULD be the future starter but really don't know.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 11:27 am
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:27 am to Fun Bunch
I agree with everything you said but still can’t help but think that this will be Jameis’s team next year. I’m interested to see how it shakes out. If we like Jameis and he improves then do we open a qb competition in camp between Taysom and Jameis next year? Remember we would have to change the offense if Taysom is your starter but if there is a chance that Jameis beats him out then do we bother to change the offense? If we stick with our current offense then Taysom probably doesn’t have much of a shot of winning the starting qb spot against Jameis. I know this isn’t what Taysom wants but I would rather Taysum spend more time as a receiver. He showed a lot of potential and growth at the end of the year at that position. Imagine if he put more focus into that. He gives us that yac receiver that we were hoping to get in the draft.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 11:33 am
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:28 am to Fun Bunch
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but if we had to start a QB short term it would like be Jameis.
I 100% believe this to be false. You can come to your own conclusions but all the Saints words and actions say differently now. Taysom even knows the Saints offense 10000% better than Jameis... will even so during the season. Payton is way more comfortable knowing Taysom as well at this time and has probably been putting thought to designing the offense around Taysom for a long time now. Think you're overthinking things.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:43 am to Chad504boy
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Taysom even knows the Saints offense 10000% better than Jameis.
Does he? Because the Taysom apologists on Twitter (underhill, Duncan, kushner for instance) insist that Taysom can’t be put into the game for short spurts because they have to change the offense for him
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:44 am to Fun Bunch
Right. So Payton was full of shite a month ago
This is rhetorical but how do they balance
- Incorporating Hill more into the offense as a skill player w an expanded role
- get Hill necessary snaps at QB
- getting Winston reps to see what he’s got
This is rhetorical but how do they balance
- Incorporating Hill more into the offense as a skill player w an expanded role
- get Hill necessary snaps at QB
- getting Winston reps to see what he’s got
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:45 am to Chad504boy
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100% believe this to be false. You can come to your own conclusions but all the Saints words and actions say differently now. Taysom even knows the Saints offense 10000% better than Jameis... will even so during the season. Payton is way more comfortable knowing Taysom as well at this time and has probably been putting thought to designing the offense around Taysom for a long time now. Think you're overthinking things.
I feel like if they truly felt that he was the guy then they would allow him to throw the ball more than he does. How versatile of a weapon would that be if he came in and you honestly had no idea if he was going to run or pass. 9 out of 10 times it is a run. If it is a pass then it is some gadget play to throw the defense off then bomb it down the field. He beat up on the 3rd string scrubs in preseason last year but played terrible against 2s the year before which was the whole reason they brought in Teddy. He is a great player but he hasn’t showed anything that gives you any confidence that he can sit in the pocket and tear apart a defense. The only way it works with Taysum is if you are running a lamar Jackson type offense. You ain’t changing to that mid year if Brees were to get hurt. I love Taysum but I felt like him starting would be entertaining but was never going to be the answer.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:47 am to Lester Earl
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Taysom even knows the Saints offense 10000% better than Jameis.
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Does he? Because the Taysom apologists on Twitter (underhill, Duncan, kushner for instance) insist that Taysom can’t be put into the game for short spurts because they have to change the offense for him
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:52 am to GynoSandberg
I don't have a clue, but they are much smarter than me.
They would not have paid Taysom what they did if they weren't going to give him a shot as the starter next year.
I think they just want options. They don't know.
They would not have paid Taysom what they did if they weren't going to give him a shot as the starter next year.
I think they just want options. They don't know.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:58 am to Fun Bunch
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Maybe.
Or it could tell us what I said. They don't want to have to change the offense IN SEASON for a short-ish period of time.
If Hill were to start the season at QB, they would change the offense for him.
They can think Taysom could be the starter of the future while still wanting to maintain options. I don't think anything is crystal clear, and they are trying to play both sides a bit.
I agree. Plus I think they see Taysom’s current role as too valuable to sit on the sidelines holding a clipboard in case Drew gets injured, so they sign experienced backup QBs as short term insurance. Once Drew is actually retired, I think they are going to give Taysom the opportunity to focus on the QB position and give him a shot to really compete to be the starter. If he wins the position, you drafted Stevens to try to negate losing Taysoms jack of all trades role as well as insurance in case Taysom gets hurt.
With that said, I am not confident that Taysom is able to win the starting QB role on the team, but I can almost guarantee you that the Saints have told him they would give him a fair chance at QB once Drew retires because they know that is what he wanted to be. The “big” contract that they gave him was their way of reassuring him that they aren’t dicking him around. In the mean time, the Saints are going to take advantage of the mismatches he creates.
I would imagine other teams telling Taysom the same thing in FA. Sign with us and we will give you a shot at QB while expecting to get him lose the completion and having the same role as he has with the Saints.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 4/28/20 at 12:01 pm to Fun Bunch
I think they do want options. Jameis could just as easily turn into a shite show and be cut mid season. It is also possible that he shows out and becomes out of Saints price range. I think they also want to keep Taysom motivated for the upcoming season and next with them acquiring JW. I would imagine his initial thoughts were WTF. I think they give him a shot in camp next year regardless. It just will be difficult for him to win it if they don’t change the offense.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 12:02 pm to Lester Earl
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Because the Taysom apologists on Twitter (underhill, Duncan, kushner for instance) insist that Taysom can’t be put into the game for short spurts because they have to change the offense for him
show me what and when they said something and then i will would entertain this tangent discussion.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 12:14 pm to Chad504boy
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show me what and when they said something and then i will would entertain this tangent discussion
Do you honestly think that we can throw Taysom in a game and have him run the same offense as Brees?
Posted on 4/28/20 at 12:20 pm to Mpd31
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Do you honestly think that we can throw Taysom in a game and have him run the same offense as Brees?
Taysom threw a bomb to harris in a playoff game.
Threw MT his record tying reception down the field.
Throw a sideline dime to MT in an out route.
Was that all not the same offense as Brees? Has Taysom been living in an alternative offensive universe in practice for nearly 3 years? Taysom's strengths may be different than Brees strengths but that's different play calling curtailing etc.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 12:20 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 4/28/20 at 12:22 pm to Lester Earl
So Payton and Mickey are sitting here planning a future with Taysom but yet have no ability to use him as a QB on the field in either a short term or long term role? How fricking short sighted is that? He even admits that them going to Teddy last year is not relevant to this year as well.
ETA: and the way that read, i think underhill was also talking about an offense design change LAST year, not really meaning this year.
ETA: and the way that read, i think underhill was also talking about an offense design change LAST year, not really meaning this year.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 4/28/20 at 12:26 pm to Chad504boy
No cause underhill thinks it the same scenario as Bridgewater. Where they dont want Taysom in cause they will have to change the offense
Whether you believe it or not, the reluctancy to put Taysom at QB says it all
Whether you believe it or not, the reluctancy to put Taysom at QB says it all
Posted on 4/28/20 at 12:27 pm to Lester Earl
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the reluctancy to put Taysom at QB says it all
last year.
last year.
last year.
I'm not conceeding this year that this is the route they would in fact take again.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 12:33 pm to Chad504boy
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I'm not conceeding this year that this is the route they would in fact take again.
Lol
Posted on 4/28/20 at 12:33 pm to Chad504boy
Full Quote from Sean Payton himself. Feel free to digest it however you choose to.
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Payton mentioned his desire to continue using Hill in a multitude of ways next season but added that the Saints view him as a future starting quarterback in the NFL as well:
"I think the role is pretty clear, and first and foremost, we still view him as a quarterback, and we spent a lot of time this offseason discussing our vision for him this season at quarterback, but then also at the F-position. And what I mean by that ... that slash, tight end, wide receiver, he's a tremendous blocker, he's physical. I don't think people realize how fast he is. He's probably one of the three or four fastest guys on the team. So, he'll play that F-position, he'll certainly be involved in the kicking game. It's one of the things he takes pride in and is very good at.
"And then the unique situation with our team and with our quarterback, Drew Brees is, he's announced he's coming back for his final season, I think Taysom sees himself as being a starting quarterback in this league and we do too."
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