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re: Salary Cap expected to top $240 Million, some executives say $250 million is possible
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:08 am to P bean
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:08 am to P bean
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Tell me youre clueless.
There are real effects from this strategy, even if things go well with Latt/Ram.
We can't move on from players who are nowhere near their cap cost (Mathieu, Maye, Cam, Hill, AK, J. Williams, etc.). In fact, it's very likely that we have to extend a couple of these guys to spread out that money even further. This is a very -EV strategy. Not only are we stuck with players who cost way more than their production, but we have to keep them even longer.
If either Latt or Ram has to be dealt with this offseason, then we're in a world of shite. There is a scenario where we have to deal with both of them. THAT would be a doomsday scenario, so we better all hope that Ram's knee can magically heal. These 2 contracts are our annual ATMs, so losing that alone would be devastating, but we've kicked so much can on both, we have a reckoning coming having to absorb that earlier than expected.
If we can't rely on either ATM, then we're going to have to restructure Carr now, removing our out after 3 years, which is going to create insane negative future value. This is near a doomsday scenario. Having to restructure Carr's contract is a nuclear option that can have devastating effects down the road. If Carr were, say, 30, it might not be so bad, but he's already going to be 33 for 2024. Assuming he can remain his mediocre self, how long can he sustain that? Till he's 35? 36? He's already under contract through his age 35 season. A restructure now will almost certainly require an extension at some point, so we're pushing $70-100M into his age 36+ seasons (and some void years). Does ANYONE feel comfortable with this?
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:09 am to redneck
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Is this your first year following the NFL????
From the tweet you linked
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As always, it’s not a question of what can be done. It’s a question of if it’s worth it.
This is the problem you guys ignore. The Saints have an old roster and are having to keep old declining players at huge salaries which limits their ability to improve the roster. They have been mediocre for 3 years with zero playoff appearances, what makes you think this strategy will suddenly change that?
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:16 am to H-Town Tiger
You kick the can when you have Drew Brees at QB. That is the only time you have flexibility. This strategy doesn't work if you are paying Derek Carr 150Mil, he has a suck arse season, and you have to extend him into dead years to clear space. Now, you are stuck paying on Carr well past his presumed playing days in New Orleans and can't get out of it unless you get a Brock Purdy that can take you deep into the playoffs with a 7th round contract.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:13 am to Snipe
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Kicking the can may not be such a bad idea if you see jumps like that
It's baked into the cake. What is not and what is devastating to the cap can kicking exercise is 2020-21 when the cap actually retracted instead of expended.
2018 - $177M
2019 - $188.2M
2020 - $182.5M
2021 - $182.5M
2022 - $208.2M
2023 - $224.8M
2024 - $242M +???
Covid and the lockdowns were an anomaly that shouldn't be used as a rule but an exception.
Yep, the Saints' strategy was working out just fine even with some misses until COVID. People seem to forget that. The last few bigger jumps were a sort of "self-correction", they expected to be here around 2022 and may end up with 1 or two more jumps before it settles out to a more normal incremental increase. At least those are the things I have read.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:44 am to mdomingue
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the Saints' strategy was working out just fine even with some misses until COVID.
that also corresponded with the end of the Brees era
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:46 am to SaintEB
quote:It really is time for this team to start embracing some sort of rebuild and eating some cap hits. The team is getting old and the talent level has declined. Move some overpriced vets for picks and start a rebuild. Signing Carr was the mistake as it delayed a rebuild given his contract.
You kick the can when you have Drew Brees at QB. That is the only time you have flexibility. This strategy doesn't work if you are paying Derek Carr 150Mil, he has a suck arse season, and you have to extend him into dead years to clear space. Now, you are stuck paying on Carr well past his presumed playing days in New Orleans and can't get out of it unless you get a Brock Purdy that can take you deep into the playoffs with a 7th round contract.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:49 am to goatmilker
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Can owners go into the gambling web site biz like everyone else?
Robert Kraft & Jerry Jones are owners of Draft Kings.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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We still routinely eat a lot of dead cap because of this strategy that prevents us from spending fully on a roster. It's a major reason why we're unlikely to be title contenders during this can kicking era.
its amazing you still have people defending the current strategy.
Are we going to be over the cap and unable to make any moves at all? No.
Is it a good way to build a roster after your generational QB is no longer around to boost a mediocre, thin roster? No....no it is not. But limp on we will
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:quote:that also corresponded with the end of the Brees era
the Saints' strategy was working out just fine even with some misses until COVID.
It did and that is partially why it looked so bad. I think the plan was for the value of dead money to taper off after Brees retired but the unexpected plateau of the cap limit is at least part of what pushed that even further out
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
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When your cap hit for Taysom Hill is more than the 49ers cap hit for McCaffery your cap strategy is not optimal
You fell for stupid tweet too huh…
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:14 pm to TwoDatBait
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You fell for stupid tweet too huh…
Are you claiming it's not correct/true?
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:49 pm to TwoDatBait
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You fell for stupid tweet too huh…
Nope, I actually googled to check and Sportrac shows the same. If that information is incorrect please provide a source for the correct information. Please note cap hit and salary are not the same.
Taysom Hill contract
Christian McCaffery
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:13 pm to H-Town Tiger
OTC confirmed this also (I looked before my last post ITT)
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:37 pm to TwoDatBait
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You fell for stupid tweet too huh…
The original tweet citing the cap hits is correct. The subsequent retweets/shares with the heading "Taysom Hill makes more than McCaffery and Kelce" are wrong.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:46 pm to SaintEB
49ers also gave up 4 draft picks for McCaffrey's rights from the panthers. Its a valuable trade also due to his underpaid contract remaining. Worked pretty well for all parties involved. People throwing dumb shite like this out on the webs thinking they have some sort of fricking point are retards of the lowest variety.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:52 pm to Chad504boy
What the 49ers gave up to get him is besides the point, Hill, who is a part time gimmick has a bigger cap hit, not bigger salary mind you, but bigger cap hit than CMac. This is simply a fact.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:57 pm to H-Town Tiger
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What the 49ers gave up to get him is besides the point
no its not. its all cost relative.
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Hill, who is a part time gimmick
oh i get it, this is a fricking joke of an argument you're pretending to have.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:02 pm to Chad504boy
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no its not. its all cost relative.
Has nothing to do with the cap which is what we are discussing.
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oh i get it, this is a fricking joke of an argument you're pretending to have.
Hill had 81 rushes and 33 catches last year the year before 96 and 9 how is that not part time?
He’s a QB/TE that doesn’t start or even serve as a primary backup at either position that’s pretty much a gimmick
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:02 pm to Chad504boy
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Its a valuable trade also due to his underpaid contract remaining.
An oft-forgotten reason why being in cap hell is bad.
NFL trades are typically cheap as hell and having cap space helps you facilitate them.
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People throwing dumb shite like this out on the webs thinking they have some sort of fricking point are retards of the lowest variety.
The point remains. His base salary is under $12M
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:06 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Hill had 81 rushes and 33 catches last year the year before 96 and 9 how is that not part time?
Chad has an irrational love of Taysom
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He’s a QB/TE that doesn’t start or even serve as a primary backup at either position that’s pretty much a gimmick
YOU'VE DONE IT NOW
Also, their salaries aren't even that different. $10M for Hill and $11.8M for CMac.
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