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Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:55 pm to Vacherie Saint
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so you didnt say TM was in decline then try to prove it with asinine PFF metrics? Odd. It must be me.
No I did, but not in comparison to MW.
I've compared MW to MM, not TM7.
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Are you really going to sit here and argue that MM, in terms of production per dollars spent, is not a massive value compared to what it would have taken to retain MW?
It's theoretically possible but unlikely, especially when the difference in cap hit is Taysom Hill's contract
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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PFF grades over his career:
88.3, 74.0, 86.5, 79.3, and 80.1
His production/play is what makes it so.
PFF isn’t the end all of evaluations. He’s a 3x All-Pro. Including 2019 & 2020.
Like I stated earlier, you’ve gone full retard.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
You can fault the team for the Hill deal but it has nothing to do with MW, and how tf is Jenkins unexpectedly retiring a "bad cap decision"?
Even of you could dedicate that cash to MW, where are you getting the money to put another top safety next to him cause you lose Jenkins either way. They would be stuck overpaying for CJGJ and now you are right back where you started.
Just admit it. The Saints pulled off a miracle at safety considering what they lost.
Even of you could dedicate that cash to MW, where are you getting the money to put another top safety next to him cause you lose Jenkins either way. They would be stuck overpaying for CJGJ and now you are right back where you started.
Just admit it. The Saints pulled off a miracle at safety considering what they lost.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:58 pm to RB10
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Sign Williams and they’re paying him more than Maye and Mathieu combined.
His AAV deal is $14M/year
Maye is 9.5 and Mathieu is 11M
Do you want me to list their comparative cap hits? I haven't looked but I imagine in no year are MM/TM lower.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:00 pm to Vacherie Saint
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and how tf is Jenkins unexpectedly retiring a "bad cap decision"?
Signing Jenkins was a bad cap decision
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The Saints pulled off a miracle at safety considering what they lost.
A miracle?
MW + TM is only slightly more than MM + TM + TH, and that's ignoring Jenkins.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It's theoretically possible but unlikely
stahp. hes statistically on par with MW for half the money
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:01 pm to Vacherie Saint
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hes statistically on par with MW for half the money
a. His contract/cap hits aren't for half of MW's. closer to 2/3
b. Want me to post his PFF grades? And that was prior to one of the worst injuries a football player can suffer.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That's the whole point. fricking up our cap in 2022 by making stupid decisions like signing Hill and Jenkins to big deals is what's causing this. We will be dealing with the Maye signing (and the inevitable restructuring) down the road as a secondary effect of these bad initial deals.
Maye got like 15 mil guaranteed for 3 years. That is very good for an above average starting safety.
I'm high on marcus maye.
You keep talking about the difference in the taysom and jenkins contract while ignoring the same difference in the maye and mathieu contracts
You got 2 safeties for the price of 1.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:02 pm to PoppaD
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Kinda a side note to this thread, but I don't think McCarthy makes it this whole season. Tyran Smith (LT) going down likely seals his fate. Cowboys plan to replace the Smith th with the rookie most penalized LT in college football last year. Adding a rookie LT who is penalty prone onto the most penalized team in the NFL is a recipe for disaster.
I think Dak gets hurt early from a blindside hit and Cowboys are squarely in the "lets hire Sean Payton" process by mid season.
At least if that goes down Saints will be getting picks from that deal.
I don't if Payton would want to have to deal with Jerry Jones though.
Even Jimmy Johnson walked away from that organization after winning two SB's in a row.
not saying Payton would turn down the offer if he got one but I just wonder how he'd do over there. Dak is no Drew Brees and their once elite O-line has lost pieces.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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MW + TM is only slightly more than MM + TM + TH, and that's ignoring Jenkins.
We are stuck with HIlls contract regardless. stop bringing him up. And MW's contract length and guarantees cannot be glossed over.
Go be a Ravens fan if you cant get over it.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:04 pm to Chalkywhite84
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You keep talking about the difference in the taysom and jenkins contract while ignoring the same difference in the maye and mathieu contracts
You got 2 safeties for the price of 1.
Maye and TM combine for about $20M/year AAV
Now we probably won't have those exact hits, but it's a better look into the ultimate cap hits than guaranteed money.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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A miracle?
MW + TM is only slightly more than MM + TM + TH, and that's ignoring Jenkins.
Hill’s contract is there whether you extend Williams or not, so stop trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Value wise, Maye and Mathieu are better than any combo you could put together with Williams and his new contract. It would either be overpaid Williams and CGJ, or overpaid Williams and some scrub.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Want me to post his PFF grades?
Jesus.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Want me to post his PFF grades?
No I dont. Because everyone knows that PFF grades are meaningless toys for nerds.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:06 pm to Vacherie Saint
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We are stuck with HIlls contract regardless.
And my primary argument in this thread is about the team completely mismanaging the cap.
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stop bringing him up.
Why? Our problems managing the cap bit us in the arse today. Why would that not be the primary discussion?
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And MW's contract length and guarantees cannot be glossed over.
I'm primarily focusing on the gap, not guarantees.
MW's deal is not that bad. Like I said he's barely in the top 10 of safeties right now. He's being paid substantially less than the highest-paid safety. This strawman argument that he's being paid as the highest S is complete BS.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:06 pm to tigersquad89
What a bunch of useless crap they got in return. This team can't negotiate for hell.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:06 pm to RB10
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Hill’s contract is there whether you extend Williams or not, so stop trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Value wise, Maye and Mathieu are better than and combo you could put together with Williams and his new contract. It would either be overpaid Williams and CGJ, or overpaid Williams and some scrub.
Its so obvious but he'll never admit it.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:07 pm to RB10
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Hill’s contract is there whether you extend Williams or not,
We couldn't extend Williams b/c of shitty contracts like Hill's
Again, my primary argument in this thread (and what should logically be the focal discussion point after this terrible trade today) is our mismanagement of the cap by giving out some really shitty deals (which required shitty extensions, etc.).
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It would either be overpaid Williams and CGJ, or overpaid Williams and some scrub.
Again
MW + TM is only slightly more than MM + TM + TH/MJ
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
Maye and mathieu got a combined 33 mil guaranteed over the 3 years.
That is the money guaranteed at signing.
Williams got between 32 and 37 mil guaranteed at signing.
Williams 3 year contract will come out to 44 mil over those first 3 years with a 13 mil dead cap hit if cut after year.
That is the money guaranteed at signing.
Williams got between 32 and 37 mil guaranteed at signing.
Williams 3 year contract will come out to 44 mil over those first 3 years with a 13 mil dead cap hit if cut after year.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 1:11 pm
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