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re: Saints sign RB Jamaal Williams to 3 year 12 million dollar deal

Posted on 3/16/23 at 4:01 pm to
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
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Posted on 3/16/23 at 4:01 pm to
I don't see the need to define "win now" for you.

quote:

Being in a crap division I believe made their choice easier.


People are pinning a lot of hope in this, which looks true for 2023 but can change in a second


I'm not penning( ) hope on this just thinking it was taken into consideration in their internal debates.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 3/16/23 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

of whether this team can win now or not


A super bowl?
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/16/23 at 4:39 pm to
This team can win a Super Bowl, yes.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/16/23 at 4:55 pm to
quote:

This team can win a Super Bowl, yes.



I don’t consider winning the SB as the only acceptable outcome but come on
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60877 posts
Posted on 3/16/23 at 5:01 pm to
quote:

I don't see the need to define "win now" for you.


9-8 but miss the playoffs? Win the division but lose in WC round? Just 2023 or a multi year run of making he playoffs or winning records and at least contending in the division?
This post was edited on 3/16/23 at 5:08 pm
Posted by paulbeasy
Member since Feb 2023
598 posts
Posted on 3/16/23 at 6:34 pm to
Base salary confirmed at 1.1 million.

So yeah, completely in line with the Gyno's chart.

SFP melt away, and go ahead and spin your argument now that you've melted and been proven wrong.
Posted by paulbeasy
Member since Feb 2023
598 posts
Posted on 3/16/23 at 6:38 pm to
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By offering rational, non-emotional criticism of decision making?



Post are not rational
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 3/16/23 at 6:44 pm to
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Base salary confirmed at 1.1 million.

So yeah, completely in line with the Gyno's chart.

He's not our starter
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
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Posted on 3/16/23 at 6:49 pm to
Pretty much will be this season.
This post was edited on 3/16/23 at 6:50 pm
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 3/16/23 at 6:53 pm to
To be fair, gyno’s chart wasn’t necessarily the starting RBs. It was the base salary of the leading rushers in the SB for the team that won.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/16/23 at 6:55 pm to
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Pretty much will be this season.

Isn't the assumption that AK misses 6 games at most?

Regardless, Kamara's cap hit is $8M this year after the restructure and almost $19M next year.

I've specifically posted I'd love Williams' deal if he was our RB1, but we're going to have almost $24M in cap room next year dedicated to RB.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/16/23 at 6:59 pm to
You know I really don't know Slow. It's weird in this situation and how little has been said about it from the shield.

After watching it I wouldn't be surprised at half to a whole year. If you have better news than my gut I would love to hear it lol
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/16/23 at 7:06 pm to
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wouldn't be surprised at half to a whole year.

We certainly shouldn't have restructured him, then

We'd get cap relief for all of the base year salary lost to suspension and he'd have to repay some of his signing bonus (But good luck calculating just how much he'd have to pay back).
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/16/23 at 7:09 pm to
So you think the parties know what's going to go down then.

Well I hope it's good news whatever happens.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
468043 posts
Posted on 3/16/23 at 7:12 pm to
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So you think the parties know what's going to go down then.

No just commenting if that is a legit worry. If he's suspended all of 2023 we just absorbed a ton of cap hit (down the line) that we didn't have to. I thought it was going to be more in line with about 1/3 of the season.
Posted by paulbeasy
Member since Feb 2023
598 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

To be fair, gyno’s chart wasn’t necessarily the starting RBs. It was the base salary of the leading rushers in the SB for the team that won.


Dont try to reason with SFP - it confuses him and ends up turning into 8 additional posts.
Posted by paulbeasy
Member since Feb 2023
598 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 7:03 pm to
quote:

To be fair, gyno’s chart wasn’t necessarily the starting RBs. It was the base salary of the leading rushers in the SB for the team that won.



Gyno's chart needs to be redone, since it has become an argument baseline - lets see it.

Maybe do it with the base salaries of the starters for the season and not who played in the Super Bowl.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 7:21 pm to
How about you do it for average cap impact of their actual tenure?

That's the only way to really make it fit into the discussion/argument.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 10:32 pm to
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After watching it I wouldn't be surprised at half to a whole year. If you have better news than my gut I would love to hear it lol


I can't see him getting more than 8 games. Maybe if he was the one kicking while the guy was down.

I'm thinking it's 4-6 at the most.
Posted by pankReb
Defending National Champs Fan
Member since Mar 2009
71983 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 10:46 am to
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This team can win a Super Bowl, yes.


Is this within the context of you think this is possibly one of the best teams in the NFL or that technically anything is possible?
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