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re: Saints should tag & trade Jimmy

Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:52 am to
Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:52 am to
Typically you DON'T get better by trading away your best players on the uptick of their careers.
Posted by SippyCup
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:53 am to
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If we can get 2 no. 1's i would help Jimmy pack.



This
Posted by chrisksaint
Florida
Member since Jul 2011
1712 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:02 pm to
Nope. You don't trade a way someone like Graham when your QB is getting towards retirement.

You don't replace someone like Graham at all that easily. Sure 1st round picks are nice, but they are also unknown and you have to find a trade partner. Finding another target in games besides Graham was a struggle, so trading away the only real #1 option makes 0 sense at all.
Posted by DeathValley85
Member since May 2011
18155 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:13 pm to
Trading Jimmy Graham is just stupid. I won't be convinced otherwise.

What we need is a receiver that takes the number 1 corner for the other team off of Graham and for Graham to become a serviceable run blocker.

Maybe I'm crazy but when you have a guy who is top 2 at his position and still IMPROVING as a player....you don't trade that guy.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:18 pm to
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There are options in FA that can be had for cheap, like Maclin, to add to this offense.


Not to hijack this thread but I keep seeing people posted about picking Maclin up as FA. I really don't understand the infatuation with a receiver who has had injury problems & can't stay on the field.
Posted by sportsaddit68
Hammond
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:20 pm to
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Maybe I'm crazy but when you have a guy who is top 2 at his position and still IMPROVING as a player....you don't trade that guy.


This is my opinion as well. IF and ONLY IF he is demanding an amount we couldn't recover from, then 2 first round picks would be amazing. However, if you are an opposing team and know the Saints are trading him because he demands an unrealistic contract, why would you give up two firsts for him knowing he will want the same money wherever he goes.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:20 pm to
He has talent and because of his injury problems he can be had for cheap. You aren't going to get a player as talented as him in free agency for cheap without some concerns. It would be a weighed gamble.
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:23 pm to
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Not to hijack this thread but I keep seeing people posted about picking Maclin up as FA. I really don't understand the infatuation with a receiver who has had injury problems & can't stay on the field.



Games played:


2009: 15
2010: 16
2011: 13
2012: 15



He missed this season due to an injury, but remained relatively healthy outside of that. The reason he is brought up is because he's extremely talented, and because of his injury, the cost won't be near what it would've been had he of been healthy this season. He is a steal, and for cheap, if we can bring him in.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115120 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:27 pm to
Doubt youd be able to get 2 first rounders


Al Davis is dead guys.
Posted by DeathValley85
Member since May 2011
18155 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:28 pm to
How fast is Maclin? Can he spread the field some? Was hard to tell opposite DeSean.
Posted by BayouFann
CenLa
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:39 pm to
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Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:40 pm to
Maclin was listed at a 4.45 40 yard time. His personal best was a 4.31


He's not Desean speed, but certainly not slow. One of the fastest players on the Eagles.


Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:59 pm to
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He missed this season due to an injury, but remained relatively healthy outside of that.


The games he has missed outside of this season have mostly been due to concussion issues. I'm sorry, cheap or not, it's not worth the gamble especially for a team that has tight cap space as is & may end up with issues dead cap money in the seasons to come. All players are at risk for injury but investing in a player with a history of concussions is just not a wise thing to do.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:00 pm to
Posted by Rand AlThor
Member since Jan 2014
9865 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:02 pm to
You guys are forgetting that by trading Graham we aren't only getting picks.. We're (potentially) gaining cap breathing room that we can use to sign less-expensive FAs.
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:09 pm to
But how much is too much of a gamble? What if he can be had for extremely cheap. Our offense becomes even better instantly.

I think his injury would allow the team to get him on a very, very cheap deal. No team is going to pay a lot for him.


Also, he's not my number one choice.


In order of preference:

Decker - obvious choice, but way too expensive. Will not happen.
Edelman - Versatile guy, and I really like what he would bring to the return game. He leads the league in yard returned per punt. Stays healthy, gym rat, student of the game...
Maclin - talented receiver that can be had for cheap
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25418 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:16 pm to
I'd rather spend cap space on an appropriately priced star player than a handful of mediocre players. You don't win championships for having the most free cap space in the league.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:17 pm to
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You guys are forgetting that by trading Graham we aren't only getting picks.. We're (potentially) gaining cap breathing room that we can use to sign less-expensive FAs.



You keep anywhere from 9-16mil per year for a good 5-6 years (assuming he may want megatron money at most and gronk money at lowest)

best reasonable scenario - you get 2 1st rounds from say a team like oakland who's looking for a playmaker. You get the #5 pick this year and probably a top 15 pick the following year as well.

You're giving up arguably the best TE in the league for a top WR prospect with their pick and maybe grabbing the top TE prospect who can catch/block with our pick this year - risky as hell. We're pretty 1 dimensional in regards to receiving positions right now as well so if it doesn't pan our, we are straight SOL.

It is a REALLY risky gamble, but if it pays off you get two high-end receiving options for brees that could potentially combine close to 2k yards (assuming watkins comes in, becomes the #1 and Amaro gets significant playing time as well).

But more importantly: 9-16mil/yr is enough to afford at least 1 top 5 player from any position (minus QB). You could end up shoring 3 positions (#1 WR, TE, and random FA signing), 2 of which were covered with draft picks and will be on the team on a cheap contract for the duration of brees' contract.

ETA: i think more importantly - if you don't spend all 9-16mil this year, next year we got a problem...signing cam jordan.
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 1:25 pm
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
76171 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:23 pm to
It's so simple. I don't know why every team doesn't trade their best players for draft picks. The drafted players are definitely going to be good. I mean when has a drafted player not lived up to the hype out of college?
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
21678 posts
Posted on 1/26/14 at 1:25 pm to
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But how much is too much of a gamble?


In reality, it's a huge gamble. Having to pay any type of money with an organization that has cap issues to a player has a concussion history is a gamble. The chances of Maclin missing time or even worse, having to retire, is greater then a player without the concussion history. Unless Drew restructures, his cap hit grows even more next season but even then it's just delaying the inevitable hit. Factor in the dead money hits from cap related cuts & the organization may face a cap headache in the next few years. Why even risk it with Maclin when you can draft or sign someone minus the concussion history?
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 1:31 pm
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