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re: Saints Fans taking legal action against Goodell
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:07 am to 3HourTour
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:07 am to 3HourTour
Couldn't you just attempt to prove that Goodell unfairly diminshed the quality of the product that they had paid for under the expectation that the product would hold its value or increase in value based on past results? If you can get local business owners who might be affected to join in, then that would make your case stronger, I would think. How much would the City of New Orleans lose from not hosting playoff games?
I don't think you have to prove that the Saints would have made the playoffs. They were 13-3 last year and are a couple of years removed from a Super Bowl victory. They are contenders. If they can get Goodell into a court where he has to prove that he acted based on evidence and with impartiality, then it seems that they might be able to pursue that line of argument. If it cannot be proven that the Saints had a "pay to injure" program and if they can provide witnesses who say that the "pay for performance" programs are common across the NFL and it is widely known yet the NFL has never attempted to stop it and only levied "draconian sanctions" in this case, then it seems that Saints fans could say that their investment was singled out unfairly and they might be due damages.
If this case is heard, it seems that it would be something of a landmark case that truly displays sports and tickets not as just entertainment, but also as a business and a valuable asset.
Haven't people been able to pass on season tickets to their family members in their wills? Have these season tickets been considered as assets? IF these tickets have been subject to estate taxes based on an assigned value, then you might be able to go off of that line of thinking.
I am no lawyer, but all of that makes sense to me.
I don't think you have to prove that the Saints would have made the playoffs. They were 13-3 last year and are a couple of years removed from a Super Bowl victory. They are contenders. If they can get Goodell into a court where he has to prove that he acted based on evidence and with impartiality, then it seems that they might be able to pursue that line of argument. If it cannot be proven that the Saints had a "pay to injure" program and if they can provide witnesses who say that the "pay for performance" programs are common across the NFL and it is widely known yet the NFL has never attempted to stop it and only levied "draconian sanctions" in this case, then it seems that Saints fans could say that their investment was singled out unfairly and they might be due damages.
If this case is heard, it seems that it would be something of a landmark case that truly displays sports and tickets not as just entertainment, but also as a business and a valuable asset.
Haven't people been able to pass on season tickets to their family members in their wills? Have these season tickets been considered as assets? IF these tickets have been subject to estate taxes based on an assigned value, then you might be able to go off of that line of thinking.
I am no lawyer, but all of that makes sense to me.
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Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:13 am to TigerinATL
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Giving Goodell more bad PR and making the owners sweat about their financials being made public is the most that will come of this, but that could be enough to help things settle more favorably for the Saints.
I don't see how any of this can happen. I guess bad PR, but I think Goodell's PR is about as bad as it can get right now. Nothing favorable, as far as the Saints are concerned, will come of this.
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:15 am to SaintEB
I simply scanned this thread so this may be an ignorant question but... who would get the 80M if by some miracle the fans actually won this suit? Season ticket holders?
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:15 am to AlaTiger
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Couldn't you just attempt to prove that Goodell unfairly diminshed the quality of the product that they had paid for under the expectation that the product would hold its value or increase in value based on past results?
Well, if he proves that they, in fact, ran a bounty system, then he had every right to drop the punishment he did. Even if they prove that he completely fabricated the whole thing, the people that bought tickets got to go to a game, sat in a seat, and watch their 3 or so hours of entertainment. It may not have been as good as they wanted it to be, but you can't demand a refund for a bad movie either.
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:16 am to Mouth
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who would get the 80M if by some miracle the fans actually won this suit?
If by some idiotic chance that a judge would actually award this, much less hear it, then I would assume you'd have to prove that you attended a game this season to even see any retribution.
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:19 am to 3rdRowTailgater
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:19 am to SaintEB
I just don't see this having legs, but then I'm no lawyer. In the end I'm afraid the only one's looking bad PR-wise will be Saints fans. This will give fuel to those who already label our fan base as delusional.
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:21 am to SaintEB
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Well, if he proves that they, in fact, ran a bounty system, then he had every right to drop the punishment he did. Even if they prove that he completely fabricated the whole thing, the people that bought tickets got to go to a game, sat in a seat, and watch their 3 or so hours of entertainment. It may not have been as good as they wanted it to be, but you can't demand a refund for a bad movie either.
I am not talking about their entertainment. I am talking about the value of the tickets for potential resale (unless that is illegal, which means that you shouldn't be doing that anyway). If that gets thrown out, then you could bring in the Playoff Tickets angle as well as the potential harm to local businesses and the local economy from an artificially suppressed performance on the field.
Obviously, if Goodell can prove a "Pay to Injure" program, then that changes things because that is conduct detrimental to the league. But, he has yet to prove that with any evidence that would stand up in a court of law. If he was forced to prove it and then it was deemed that his evidence was unsatisfactory, that would be a "win" there.
Maybe, this is a way that Saints fans can fight for their team and get suspensions revoked or at the very least, get future compensation. I am not saying that it is or that it will work, but it is an interesting thought.
Ok. Break over. Back to work.
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:22 am to AlaTiger
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Couldn't you just attempt to prove that Goodell unfairly diminshed the quality of the product that they had paid for under the expectation that the product would hold its value or increase in value based on past results? If you can get local business owners who might be affected to join in, then that would make your case stronger, I would think. How much would the City of New Orleans lose from not hosting playoff games?
This is the best angle. Going just based off playoff contention and missed revenue for that isn't strong enough. But a general reduction in marketability and profitably for ticket holders and local businesses could hold some kind of weight. I'm no lawyer so I don't know for sure, but that would be my guess as the best chance this suit has
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:26 am to SaintEB
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If by some idiotic chance that a judge would actually award this, much less hear it,
I know right? All this legal hoopla over the bounties has officially become comical. Everyone involved from the players to the fans need to let it go already. Although Vilma coming back bc of the latest appeal is nice.
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then I would assume you'd have to prove that you attended a game this season to even see any retribution.
I keep all my ticket stubs!
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:27 am to Mouth
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but... who would get the 80M if by some miracle the fans actually won this suit? Season ticket holders?
attorneys would probably get an automatic 40-50%.
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:31 am to Chad504boy
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attorneys would probably get an automatic 40-50%
thats just it. the attorneys always profit the most from class action suits. it'd probably be more like 80% actually.
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:40 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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#Saints fans filed a class action lawsuit against Roger Goodell in U.S. District Court asking for $80 million in damages.
Almost gives stupidity a whole new meaning
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:40 am to TigerinATL
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I wonder what damage they are claiming?
OH OH - I know this one. How about the beatings you all have had to suffer?!
Zing.
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:46 am to DoubleDown
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OH OH - I know this one. How about the beatings you all have had to suffer?!
That goes to my PTS theory.
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:50 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Where do I sign up?
Posted on 10/16/12 at 11:55 am to geauxtigahs87
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Almost gives stupidity a whole new meaning
Yup. It will be called 'Saints Fans'.
Posted on 10/16/12 at 1:19 pm to SippyCup
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Sometimes iPhone spell correct makes us all retards.
But when you actually use that little thing called the apostrophe the phone will not try to correct when you type out "y o u r e" and put your in place of it. Don't blame autocorrect when you chose to rely on it.
Posted on 10/16/12 at 2:05 pm to doliss
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A New Orleans Saints fan is taking NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to federal court, seeking in excess of $5,000,000 in the damages.
See Lawsuit
CLASS ACTION COMPLAINT FOR DAMAGES
JURY TRIAL
The petition of David James Mancina, a person of the full age of majority and a resident
of St. Tammany Parish, State of Louisiana, respectively, represents:
I.
This Court has jurisdiction under 28 USC 1331 and 1332 (d)(2), in that Plaintiffs is
diverse in his residency from Defendants, and the amount in controversy, exclusive of interest
and costs, exceeds the sum of $5,000,000.
II.
Defendants are Roger Goodell, Commissioner of The National Football League,
(commissioner hereinafter), and The National Football League, (League hereinafter), both at all
times pertinent engaging in or doing business relative to, or connected with, the content of this
Posted on 10/16/12 at 2:12 pm to tgrbaitn08
... this stands 0% chance in hell of winning a single dime. Also, as others have said, Saints fans are going to be the only ones hurt by this whole lawsuit. People are beyond tired of this - even the ones that don't like Goodell.
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