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Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
72659 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 6:24 pm to
Tight hips



I wish him well in the next phase of his life, his production in NOLA didn’t justify his contract.
Posted by jennyjones
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Apr 2006
9887 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 6:29 pm to
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I hated this signing from the get go....but the guy I wanted was ladarius green soooo


Same here. LG would have been a stud but he couldn’t stay healthy either
Posted by GMoney2600
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
14631 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 6:41 pm to
Saints waive four players in addition to releasing Coby Fleener. LINK

The New Orleans Saints had just five slots to add undrafted rookies after the draft, but the team made five moves today to create extra roster space.

The Saints waived tight end Alex Ellis, linebacker Shayne Skov, guard Nate Theaker and offensive tackle John Theus, according to the NFL transactions report on Monday (May 7).

Ellis, Skov and Theaker were all members of the practice squad in 2017 and signed reserve/futures contracts at the beginning of the year. The Saints claimed Theus off waivers from the Carolina Panthers in February, but he was waived with an undisclosed injury.

After cutting the four young players on Monday, they had a chance to officially sign four other undrafted rookies that had already agreed to deals -- Colorado offensive tackle Jeromy Irwin, Tempe wide receiver Keith Kirkwood, Oregon defensive tackle Henry Mondeaux and Western Kentucky tight end Deon Yelder.

That brings the Saints up to 10 undrafted rookies officially signed. Last week, they inked deals with Ohio State quarterback J.T. Barrett, South Carolina guard Cory Helms, Cincinnati defensive back Linden Stephens, Minnesota tight end Nate Wozniak, Mississippi State defensive back J.T. Gray and Tennessee linebacker Colton Jumper.

In addition to these four cuts, the Saints released veteran tight end Coby Fleener on Monday with two designations, one for a failed physical and the other labeling him a June 1 cut. Fleener, 29, is still dealing with symptoms from the concussion he suffered in Week 12 last season, which forced him onto injured reserve. It was the fifth documented concussion since college.

Cutting Fleener after June 1 will save the Saints $3 million in cap space for the 2018 season, money the team will need to sign all of its draft picks this year. However, the cap space the Saints save will result in $3.2 million going onto the books in 2019.
This post was edited on 5/7/18 at 6:45 pm
Posted by Laaz2750
Los Angeles
Member since Aug 2008
8488 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 6:57 pm to
well.... I did not see that coming
Posted by GMoney2600
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
14631 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 7:15 pm to
It sucks that we have to eat 3.2 mil in dead money for 2019, but Fleener is the only person on the dead money list for 2019.

That has to be a record for us over the last 5 years. I'm sure we'll add to that category, but it's looking really good right now.
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
18717 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:10 pm to
Why not?
1 year deal and he can play them at the Jerrydome and get revenge or whatever.

As long as he commits to keeping his mouth shut and takes Vet min
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49475 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 8:25 pm to
Are we fricked?
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
73801 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 9:00 pm to
Well we did pretty good last year.
Posted by GMoney2600
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
14631 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 9:02 pm to
Why would we be fricked? I see Fleener being cut as a good thing.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
73801 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 9:07 pm to
Now losing Skov?
Different matter altogether.
Posted by tigersquad89
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2014
8400 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 9:56 pm to
Dez is a bum and a cancer to a locker room. Not to mention the guy can’t run routes.
Posted by SuddenJerk
Member since Oct 2017
756 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 10:07 pm to
Bye bye brick hands Fleener!
Posted by Bradentu2
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since May 2018
86 posts
Posted on 5/7/18 at 11:39 pm to
Honestly don’t know what the hell happened with flleener
Posted by saintsfan1977
Arkansas, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
9862 posts
Posted on 5/8/18 at 6:49 am to
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Honestly don’t know what the hell happened with flleener


Failed his physical. Reports are a broken fingernail.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
73484 posts
Posted on 5/8/18 at 7:35 am to
insert "well..bye" gif
Posted by LisbethSalander
NOLA
Member since Feb 2016
153 posts
Posted on 5/8/18 at 11:58 am to
He wouldn't have passed a physical before March 1, which would have made the full year guarantee kick in. That's my understanding of it.
Posted by t00f
Not where you think I am
Member since Jul 2016
101234 posts
Posted on 5/8/18 at 12:09 pm to
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Dez is a bum and a cancer to a locker room. Not to mention the guy can’t run routes.



Is Dez Bryant still a No. 1 WR?




For Bryant, the overall production just isn’t there this season. Well, compared to his standards, it really hasn’t been there since 2015. He currently ranks 37th among 88 qualifying receivers with his 1.65 yards per route run. He’s been targeted 14 times on deep passes thrown 20-plus yards downfield, but has only hauled in two of those receptions for 57 yards.

In 2017, he is on pace to average by far the fewest yards per reception of his career (11.0) and this season will most likely be Bryant’s third year in a row that he has failed to gain 1,000 yards receiving after recording three straight seasons with more than 1,200 yards from 2012-2014. Over the last three seasons, Bryant has combined to score just 18 touchdowns, only two more than his total from just 2014 alone (16).

Clearly, something isn’t right. Just because Bryant is putting up fewer fantasy football points or lower box score outputs every week, doesn’t mean he isn’t still playing like one of the best wide receivers in the NFL.

Bryant remains one of the most dangerous players in the league with the ball in his hands. He has forced 12 missed tackles on just 58 receptions this season. That’s more than all but two other wide receivers (Golden Tate + Jarvis Landry) in the NFL entering Week 14. On a per reception basis, Bryant’s 0.20 forced missed tackles per reception is the second-highest rate at his position (minimum of 50 receptions) to Golden Tate (0.25) and the highest among traditional outside receivers.

Bryant fights for every receiving yard he gains and few at the position are better at making them miss.


Even more telling for Bryant is when you breakdown his average rate of catchable pass targets seen. The Cowboys lost Tony Romo to injury in Week 2 of the 2015 season and things have really never been the same for Bryant since. Although you will never hear him complain or utter a disparaging word about his current quarterback Dak Prescott, Bryant must be aware that Romo’s departure has meant less opportunities for him in the passing game.

Between 2012-2014, 70.0 percent of the pass attempts thrown Bryant’s way were deemed catchable (three-year NFL average: 67.4 percent). Bryant took full advantage when given the chance, scoring 41 touchdowns to go along with 2.25 yards per route run which was seventh-most out of 63 receivers with at least 1000 snaps in route during that time. Since then however, the percentage of catchable targets seen by Dez has plummeted, creating a domino effect that permeates across the box score. Just 155-of-260 pass attempts aimed at Bryant since the beginning of 2015 have been catchable targets. His 59.6 percent catchable target rate over the last three years ranks 50th out of 51 WRs with min 200 targets during that span of time.

Despite it all, Bryant still sits with a good overall grade at 81.7, which ranks 20th out of 116 qualifying WRs. Combine that with all of the aforementioned information, and there are plenty of reasons to believe Dez still has enough left in the tank to be considered a No. 1 WR, even if he hasn’t put up the similar numbers that his lofty standards demand.

edit, forgot link: PFF


Just Sayin
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 12:11 pm
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
31867 posts
Posted on 5/8/18 at 12:22 pm to
He's still talented, but is the headache worth it? Locker room is at a Sean Payton best right now, anything to possibly ruin that is not. Good.
Posted by t00f
Not where you think I am
Member since Jul 2016
101234 posts
Posted on 5/8/18 at 12:35 pm to
Not sure. I would assume that would be part of the discussion. Seems to be a mixed bag as far as locker room presence.

Tony Romo claims he is a good teammate and not an issue in the locker room.

I do remember that one outburst in 2015 but really don't hear all that much else.
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 5/8/18 at 12:44 pm to
Hindsight is 20-20 but perhaps Saints would have done better to draft Fumagalli in the 4th round instead of the Fla St. tackle?
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