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Saints could change their franchise's future by trading Sean Payton
Posted on 10/11/22 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 10/11/22 at 7:09 pm
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Although he retired after last season, the New Orleans Saints still own the rights to Sean Payton.
He may be enjoying his new gig as an NFL analyst for FOX, but Payton still has about 10 years of high-quality coaching left in the tank if he so chooses. His abrupt retirement shocked New Orleans, but the Saints brass was able to promote defensive coordinator Dennis Allen from within. However, if Payton is to be an NFL head coach again, it is certainly not going to be in New Orleans.
With the division rival Carolina Panthers firing Matt Rhule on Monday, one would think Payton would be at the top of the list for teams looking for new head coaches this offseason. The belief is Payton would fetch a first-round pick if the Saints were to trade him. Carolina plays in the same division as the Saints, so that makes things challenging. Then again, David Tepper is one of a kind…
The Saints own Payton's coaching rights through the 2023 season. After that, he is a free agent.
New Orleans Saints: Trading Sean Payton's rights could be franchise-altering
The reason why a first-round pick is significant is that is the precedent that has been set when it comes to trading for a high-end head football coach. Although the last time it happened was over 20 years ago, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers do not regret trading for Jon Gruden in a deal with the then-Oakland Raiders. A lot has changed since, but Gruden did bring Tampa Bay a Super Bowl…
Interestingly, the two teams that are tied to Payton if he were to get back into coaching next year are Carolina and the Dallas Cowboys. The Carolina fit has to do with Tepper being an aggressive owner, as well as the Panthers being the only team with a head-coaching vacancy currently. Of course, trading for Payton would cost Carolina its first-round pick, and they need a quarterback…
The Dallas connection is mostly due to Payton previously working under Jerry Jones as a part of Bill Parcells' Cowboys staff. It feels like a pipe dream, as Jones does not do well with head coaches who want a say in personnel: Parcells and Jimmy Johnson most famously before that. Plus, Dallas is winning games with a backup quarterback. Then again, how much does he love Mike McCarthy?
In short, if Payton were to be traded by the Saints this offseason, it would need to be to a team with one of two things going for it: Residing in the AFC or possessing more than one first-round pick. Otherwise, it is just way too punitive to trade a future hall of fame head coach in-conference. The Houston Texas, the Detroit Lions and the Seattle Seahawks all have multiple first-round picks.
If we were to look at AFC teams who could be making a change at head coach, keep an eye on the Indianapolis Colts, the Los Angeles Chargers and the New England Patriots. Things are not going well for Frank Reich in Indianapolis. The Chargers roster is loaded, but Brandon Staley is an issue. Bill Belichick could retire and that would mean the Patriots are about to enter a very rough patch.
So why does this potential trade come across as franchise-altering for the Saints? Well, they would be getting a first-round pick back in what looks to be one of the best quarterback draft classes in years. New Orleans may not be in position to draft a C.J. Stroud, a Bryce Young or even a Will Levis, but they could combine both potential first-round picks into a package deal this spring.
Even if general manager Mickey Loomis thinks he can win games with a healthy Jameis Winston under center, the Saints could use this extra first-round pick coming from a theoretical Payton trade to bolster their pass rush or add an offensive weapon of note. Loomis has earned the benefit of the doubt to pick one Pro Bowl player after another with his Saints' first-round draft selections.
It all comes down to if Payton wants to coach again, but the Saints should listen to all trade offers.
Although he retired after last season, the New Orleans Saints still own the rights to Sean Payton.
He may be enjoying his new gig as an NFL analyst for FOX, but Payton still has about 10 years of high-quality coaching left in the tank if he so chooses. His abrupt retirement shocked New Orleans, but the Saints brass was able to promote defensive coordinator Dennis Allen from within. However, if Payton is to be an NFL head coach again, it is certainly not going to be in New Orleans.
With the division rival Carolina Panthers firing Matt Rhule on Monday, one would think Payton would be at the top of the list for teams looking for new head coaches this offseason. The belief is Payton would fetch a first-round pick if the Saints were to trade him. Carolina plays in the same division as the Saints, so that makes things challenging. Then again, David Tepper is one of a kind…
The Saints own Payton's coaching rights through the 2023 season. After that, he is a free agent.
New Orleans Saints: Trading Sean Payton's rights could be franchise-altering
The reason why a first-round pick is significant is that is the precedent that has been set when it comes to trading for a high-end head football coach. Although the last time it happened was over 20 years ago, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers do not regret trading for Jon Gruden in a deal with the then-Oakland Raiders. A lot has changed since, but Gruden did bring Tampa Bay a Super Bowl…
Interestingly, the two teams that are tied to Payton if he were to get back into coaching next year are Carolina and the Dallas Cowboys. The Carolina fit has to do with Tepper being an aggressive owner, as well as the Panthers being the only team with a head-coaching vacancy currently. Of course, trading for Payton would cost Carolina its first-round pick, and they need a quarterback…
The Dallas connection is mostly due to Payton previously working under Jerry Jones as a part of Bill Parcells' Cowboys staff. It feels like a pipe dream, as Jones does not do well with head coaches who want a say in personnel: Parcells and Jimmy Johnson most famously before that. Plus, Dallas is winning games with a backup quarterback. Then again, how much does he love Mike McCarthy?
In short, if Payton were to be traded by the Saints this offseason, it would need to be to a team with one of two things going for it: Residing in the AFC or possessing more than one first-round pick. Otherwise, it is just way too punitive to trade a future hall of fame head coach in-conference. The Houston Texas, the Detroit Lions and the Seattle Seahawks all have multiple first-round picks.
If we were to look at AFC teams who could be making a change at head coach, keep an eye on the Indianapolis Colts, the Los Angeles Chargers and the New England Patriots. Things are not going well for Frank Reich in Indianapolis. The Chargers roster is loaded, but Brandon Staley is an issue. Bill Belichick could retire and that would mean the Patriots are about to enter a very rough patch.
So why does this potential trade come across as franchise-altering for the Saints? Well, they would be getting a first-round pick back in what looks to be one of the best quarterback draft classes in years. New Orleans may not be in position to draft a C.J. Stroud, a Bryce Young or even a Will Levis, but they could combine both potential first-round picks into a package deal this spring.
Even if general manager Mickey Loomis thinks he can win games with a healthy Jameis Winston under center, the Saints could use this extra first-round pick coming from a theoretical Payton trade to bolster their pass rush or add an offensive weapon of note. Loomis has earned the benefit of the doubt to pick one Pro Bowl player after another with his Saints' first-round draft selections.
It all comes down to if Payton wants to coach again, but the Saints should listen to all trade offers.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 7:28 pm to hellsu
Payton isn’t going to a team with no qb. Carolina is out. Dallas is good, so they are out. San Diego makes the most sense.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 7:31 pm to landrywasbeast30
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San Diego makes the most sense.
Denver and Patriots are dark horses.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 7:36 pm to Chad504boy
I thought about Denver but Russ looking cooked. Why y’all mentioning Pats? I miss some rumors about Belichick?
Posted on 10/11/22 at 7:44 pm to landrywasbeast30
Just a remote possibility. If he retires I think Payton would like the fit of Kraft owner w pull
Posted on 10/11/22 at 7:55 pm to Chad504boy
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Denver and Patriots are dark horses.
Denver has no picks so frick them. In addition, Payton ain’t going to try to coach up Russ’s old arse.
Patriot’s don’t have a franchise quarterback.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:20 pm to landrywasbeast30
Honestly the thought of Paytons offense with a young guy that has the arm talent of Justin Herbert kinda makes me want to see it.
Gimme the picks though
Gimme the picks though
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:24 pm to hellsu
Please go to the Chargers. We need the picks.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:40 pm to Pendulum
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Gimme the picks though
Chargers gonna have a good pick and may be more willing to give it up than other teams because they already have the qb.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:41 pm to landrywasbeast30
quote:There’s still plenty of time for their yearly collapse
Dallas is good, so they are out
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:44 pm to Melvin
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There’s still plenty of time for their yearly collapse
Their defense is legit though. Defense can carry McCarthy so they won’t be as susceptible to his horrible coaching decisions.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:47 pm to landrywasbeast30
I think they have to make a playoff run for him to be safe. A wildcard exit and I think Jerry would can him if it meant getting Payton.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:49 pm to Chad504boy
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Just a remote possibility. If he retires I think Payton would like the fit of Kraft owner w pull
And he could have just invested in these...
Posted on 10/11/22 at 9:39 pm to hellsu
Thanks for breaking that news for us. I’m not sure that’s ever been talked about on here.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 10:16 pm to LSUgrad88
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Thanks for breaking that news for us. I’m not sure that’s ever been talked about on here.
I found it shed some light on some landing spots and options that I have not seen discussed here. Obviously you have nothing to contribute but a smart arse remark.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 10:48 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Payton isn’t going to a team with no qb
Chicken crap coaching at its finest. He tucked tail and ran when things became hard.
No respect for that kind of coach.
This post was edited on 10/11/22 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:56 am to hellsu
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The Saints own Payton's coaching rights through the 2023 season.
Hum. I thought it was till the end of the 2024 season.
This changes thing IMO, Why would a team that sucks give away multiple picks (1st's at that) when that can suck so another year and then get him for no picks?
Sure they might be in a bidding war with other teams for him but Payton isn't going to a team where he doesn't want to be, by trade or FA.
And I don't think a team trades for him not knowing 100% he's going to be their HC.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 9:16 am
Posted on 10/12/22 at 6:48 am to hellsu
TLDR, the Saints don’t have anything to trade. No one would agree to give up draft choices if they didn’t already have a deal with Payton. They have nothing until a team makes the decision to sign him. If Payton says no, you don’t have a trade. Payton may wait out the 2 years and go where he wants to go and the Saints get nothing.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:10 am to Hetfield
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Please go to the Chargers. We need the picks.
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