Rules question relating to Super Bowl

What if they would have held him up and someone kicked him, while he still held the ball, through the opposing uprights? Would that have counted as a field goal?

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What if they would have held him up and someone kicked him, while he still held the ball, through the opposing uprights? Would that have counted as a field goal?

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Thanks I needed a laugh.

From NFL rule book:

Forward Progress: The point on the field where the forward momentum of a player who is in possession of the football is stopped by a defender or by going out of bounds. A player is awarded the most forward spot the runner reached when the ball is declared dead even if he is pushed backward.

So if the player was being held up, the officials would probably rule down and mark forward progress.

The only way I could see what you are suggesting working would have been if the Eagles defenders would have slung or pushed the RB in the end zone as part of the tackle. Given the rule, I don’t think an Eagles DB could have picked up the RB and carried him into the end zone - likely would have been ruled down (by forward progress) but it’s an interesting question.

Watch the play here
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You see KC #1 (the RB) go past Philly #24, and then turn upfield. #24 is jogging, not running; no attempt to tackle.

Let's say #24 does run, and when the back turns upfield- he grabs him (around the waist, say), and run/dives into the endzone.
The rule you cite states:

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Forward Progress: The point on the field where the forward momentum of a player who is in possession of the football is stopped by a defender or by going out of bounds. A player is awarded the most forward spot the runner reached when the ball is declared dead even if he is pushed backward.

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Ok- #24 doesn't STOP forward progress. He isn't pushed backwards... he is pushed (carried) FORWARD. Into the endzone.

Look at this- it's about as close as I could find.

Let's say that's the play last night. Let's say the RB wanted to go down, but the DB pushed him in. What's the call?

the hypothetical isn't what actually happened. it's whether the defender can come up and hold him up from going down before he initiates it

Yes if they had grabbed him before he gave himself up and tackling him into the EZ or pushed him in before forward progress is stopped it’s a touchdown. Same as when a play looks done but a scrum keeps pushing forward.

Rewatching that play
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the running back was playing with fire there. If you watch the play, it starts just outside the 10 yd line. He is running past #24 at the 7 yd line, and turning from an OOB angle, to straight at the goal. At the 5 yd area, that looks like the spot where my proposed scenario happens.

He doesn't go into a slide until the 2, so that's a 7-8 yd gain.

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24 should have stayed full speed and rode him out of bounds. After seeing the slow-mo/stopped footage, there was no way to get him in the endzone outside of literally picking him up and walking 5+ yards But, he could have grabbed him from his right side and held him up while pushing him OOB

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They'd be trying to do, basically, this


It's not the same thing in intention, but function. You had the angle, hit the guy and wrap up at the torso (under the arms if possible), and walk him into the endzone. Keep driving (and RB was running, not standing still, so you're playing his momentum too), but instead of pulling down, you're staying upright, and keeping him up too.

In that play, contact is made at the 5 (as it would have in the Super Bowl). Keep him up and moving forward, he can't go down... possibly panic and fumble (try to toss it out of bounds?).

Hahahaha I'm dying here.
A question I've not heard. Damn good sir.

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I found it comical people last night were, aside from the holding, complaining about that play in particular.

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I think it was a stupid call by the Chiefs, actually.

A handoff to a running back gains you NOTHING. As we witnessed, the guy gave up an easy TD, in order to go down and run clock. At best, it only took a couple seconds more off the clock, maybe 1 more play for Philly on the back end. But you risk a fumbled exchange, or defense playing the angle to push him out of bounds. 24 in theory could have done that, had he anticipated correctly and ran with effort.

For those that will say "that will never happen", I submit this picture:


For the record- Fla State up a score, ball at the 1, 15 seconds on the play clock, 1:25 left in the game. Smart play- kneel, force LSU to burn a TO with about 1:09 left, kick the FG to go up 10, kick off with 1:06 left. Game over.
Fla State chose to run, fumbled, LSU recovered at the 1 and drove 99 yds, scoring a TD on the final play.
Yes, Fla State blocked the XP and won. Odds are LSU makes the XP and forces OT, and LSU could have went for 2 and won.