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re: RAS Scores
Posted on 8/29/25 at 4:57 am to bonethug0180
Posted on 8/29/25 at 4:57 am to bonethug0180
I've been saying for years that Ireland and loomis have relied on their prototype too much.
It seemed like they wouldn't go outside of their prototype even if a player had great production and skills. Notice they would never take smaller players at end/edge.
There is nothing wrong with ras if you use it in conjunction with what they put on the field. Ireland would also look for 4 year guys supposedly.
Marcus Williams ras 8.15
Kamara 8.05
It seemed like they wouldn't go outside of their prototype even if a player had great production and skills. Notice they would never take smaller players at end/edge.
There is nothing wrong with ras if you use it in conjunction with what they put on the field. Ireland would also look for 4 year guys supposedly.
Marcus Williams ras 8.15
Kamara 8.05
This post was edited on 8/29/25 at 4:59 am
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Posted on 8/29/25 at 6:45 am to Chalkywhite84
Payton and Ireland both followed Parcells blueprint for identifying guys
Kelvin Banks had the lowest RAS of a Saint first rounder since Kenny Vaccaro. Olave was also a sub 9 RAS guy. So it’s not gospel
Kelvin Banks had the lowest RAS of a Saint first rounder since Kenny Vaccaro. Olave was also a sub 9 RAS guy. So it’s not gospel
Posted on 8/29/25 at 7:04 am to saints5021
RAS is just combine data combined into this made up metric that was made to easy categorized players. Teams have always tried drafting the best athletes because the best players are the best athletes. There isn't some conspiracy.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 7:49 am to BRL79
quote:So close to being a Saint. Detroit jumped in front of us to snipe him, and we end up with Broughton.
Isaac Teslaa for the Lions will be one to watch also.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 7:55 am to Lester Earl
The issue is when the gym rat doesn't meet being a great football player.
Poor technique
Inexperience
Poor football iq
Bad history of health
That's why our depth and talent sucks
Poor technique
Inexperience
Poor football iq
Bad history of health
That's why our depth and talent sucks
Posted on 8/29/25 at 8:00 am to Chalkywhite84
An 8, however, means that they are in the top 20% of all players at their position in athleticism. So while they might seem "low" compared to others, there have been players far lower that have had success.
I found a study from 2003-2023 that showed all the top 10 backs in fantasy each year, and there have been players as low as in the mid 4s that have achieved top 10 seasons.
While high level athleticism does tend to lead to more success in the league, even mid players can achieve success. So they definitely need to loosen up on prototype.
And yeah the 4 year thing was something I forgot about. That, along with things like captaincy, have definitely been weighted too heavily in addition to RAS. These things should be more like bonus checks for players, while production and tape needs to take much more precedence.
I found a study from 2003-2023 that showed all the top 10 backs in fantasy each year, and there have been players as low as in the mid 4s that have achieved top 10 seasons.
While high level athleticism does tend to lead to more success in the league, even mid players can achieve success. So they definitely need to loosen up on prototype.
And yeah the 4 year thing was something I forgot about. That, along with things like captaincy, have definitely been weighted too heavily in addition to RAS. These things should be more like bonus checks for players, while production and tape needs to take much more precedence.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 8:06 am to htran90
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The issue is when the gym rat doesn't meet being a great football player.
This has been present for as long as the nfl existed. Zero to do with RAS
Posted on 8/29/25 at 8:09 am to Lester Earl
It has to do with over valuing RAS versus other metrics.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 8:25 am to bonethug0180
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has to do with over valuing RAS versus other metrics.
What metrics?
Posted on 8/29/25 at 10:34 am to Lester Earl
Production. Watching tape to see technique, football iq, and how much they are impacting things vs those around them (talent level of teammates and opponents).
Posted on 8/29/25 at 2:06 pm to saints5021
Calvin Johnson was a 10.0
Posted on 8/29/25 at 6:01 pm to bonethug0180
quote:
An 8, however, means that they are in the top 20% of all players at their position in athleticism. So while they might seem "low" compared to others, there have been players far lower that have had success.
I found a study from 2003-2023 that showed all the top 10 backs in fantasy each year, and there have been players as low as in the mid 4s that have achieved top 10 seasons.
Yeah, I wasn't saying that was low.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 6:11 pm to saints5021
Relying solely on RAS scores is fricking stupid.
This post was edited on 8/29/25 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 8/29/25 at 6:44 pm to LSUAlum2001
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Relying solely on RAS scores is fricking stupid.
Doesn’t happen. Using RAS is the same thing as using workout data to analyze a player. What is so hard to understand
It’s combine/pro day data made into a cumulative score. The wheel isn’t being reinvented.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 8:06 pm to Lester Earl
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It’s combine/pro day data made into a cumulative score. The wheel isn’t being reinvented.
blaming RAS is equal to blaming combine/pro day moving players up who are otherwise underwhelming for reasons:
1. Poor quality play on the field
2. Raw athleticism that you can't teach
3. Small school
Trevor Penning was a 9.96, all the potential in the world but small school and poor technique and here we are a few years later.
The next OL pick after him: Tyler Smith 8.87, considered passable as a pass protector and already excelled as a run blocker; but he showed a lot more technique and "football" IQ
that's just the obvious hindsight one we have on our team, but there's been times where we've drafted and it looked like we cared more about the upside rather than the floor and its bitten us in the arse.
Foskey - 9.61 RAS (DE) over Branch - 5.27 (S) was another obvious one
Posted on 8/29/25 at 9:24 pm to htran90
This happens to all teams every single draft for decades. Not just the saints. Evaluating players is hard & nuanced
Posted on 8/29/25 at 10:37 pm to htran90
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that's just the obvious hindsight one we have on our team, but there's been times where we've drafted and it looked like we cared more about the upside rather than the floor and its bitten us in the arse.
That was kind of my point. Another point I was making is the prototype. If the height and weight didn't match their prototype, they would pass on perfectly good players.
Imo you have to look at the production first. And I'm not saying it's easy cause it's obviously not. It's much harder to draft in real time. You have to pivot on the spot when they guy you wanted gets picked.
It's much easier after the fact to say I would've picked this guy.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 11:42 pm to GynoSandberg
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I do think it started that year too. One issue is guys like Davenport and Turner had high RAS but not standout production. Penning & Saldiveri were small school RAS guys. Ruiz was a RAS guy who was seemingly drafted off that without a specific position in mind
In the same breath, guys like Hendrickson, Kaden Ellis, Werner, Adebo were high RAS gems.
You have guys like AK, Ceedy Duce, Marcus Williams, Anzalone, Baun who weren’t RAS beast either. So in reality I think it’s been a bit of a mixed bag
Classic Gyno. Your posts always reek of you re-wording all of the Saints info you google or read on your phone.
(Hey Grok. Tell me about the Saints roster and RAS.)
I know for a fact that you’re not someone who gets paid to talk/report about LA sports. So get off the soap box.
How much X do you read a week? My guess is 4 hrs+
So stop using the internet to be the smartest guy on ST.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 11:44 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
This happens to all teams every single draft for decades. Not just the saints. Evaluating players is hard & nuanced
You Loomis supporters are a wild bunch.
Posted on 8/30/25 at 12:09 am to Mouth
Loomis sucks arse
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