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re: QB is Problem #1
Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:12 am to GynoSandberg
Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:12 am to GynoSandberg
quote:
What’s the hot take?
A) numerous posters want to proclaim he sucks/ is a bust/ waste of a pick.
B) acting like another positional pick would be some sort of team saving selection at this point is a bit much considering shough is still a potential upgrade at the most important position in football. No matter what, he's a qb on a rookie contract that even the backup QB in the nfl is an extremely important position and we are a cash strapped team that found a way to maybe get by at the position with 4 rookie contracts while we are finding a way to better that cap situation that everyone wouldn't shut up about.
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Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:26 am to Chad504boy
First… your Hot Take is common knowledge for anyone who follows the team.. so it’s NOT a hot take.
Here’s the problem most have with the pick of Shough at #40…..
No one sees him as a longterm QUALITY starter.
The draft capital they spent is for a QUALITY starter and he will probably end up a career backup which is incongruent to the draft capital spent.
That’s it… it’s not complicated.
We are not curing cancer on this board !!
His selection at #40 is feeding into fans frustrations of Saints continually blowing high draft picks year after year !!!;
This fact seriously exasperates the situation !!
That’s it… Thats all.
Put Shough on the field … go ahead !!
I wouldn’t mind seeing him at all …
But No one thinks that QUALITY starter will ever appear !!
Prove Us Wrong !!
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 10:46 am
Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:35 am to TigerSaurus
quote:
But I’m a Baptism by Fire Guy.
Best way for him to learn ( if that’s the only issue.. as YOU are NOW ASSUMING that’s the only issue) …
Put Shough on the field !!!
Fastest way to learn !!
The pass protection isn't very good. I'm thinking Rattler doesn't trust the protection at all and that's why he has an internal clock of 2.5 seconds. At times if he scans the field another second he'd find a player open.
If Shough gets in and doesn't trust the protection he'll be the most sacked QB like David Carr was. That's not good for development.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:36 am to biggdogg
quote:
I could care less about winning games. Dude is getting more comfortable every week. He’s not turning the ball over. He’s got more tds in four games than he did all of last year.
I agree. He is also getting very comfortable missing the read. By the end of this season, he may actually have a win.
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Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:38 am to saintsfan1977
Ok….. then sit Shough on the bench this entire season and waste over 10+ games of learning opportunities.
Just don’t complain and keep asking
“Why isn’t Shough Playing” ????
Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:41 am to saintsfan1977
quote:
The pass protection isn't very good. I'm thinking Rattler doesn't trust the protection at all and that's why he has an internal clock of 2.5 seconds. At times if he scans the field another second he'd find a player open. If Shough gets in and doesn't trust the protection he'll be the most sacked QB like David Carr was. That's not good for development.
My opinion is that this is why Shough hasn’t played yet. In college his biggest flaw was his reaction to pressure. Rattler right now is standing in and getting through the play, usually with a quick pass, while still protecting the ball. The offense could very easily be a lot worse right now if Shough was out there panicking with our bad protection.
This is another reason I’d wait AT LEAST one more week to go to Shough. The Giants DL is one of if not the best in the NFL. They’re going to absolutely feast on our OL this week. This would be the absolute worst time to play Shough
Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:50 am to Rand AlThor
So you’re telling me he spent his entire 6 year college career rushing throws and reacting negatively to pressure ??
And suddenly the saints will somehow break him of this habit he never resolved to this point in his career ??
Oh yeah… this sounds like a 2nd rd draft prospect ( #40 overall) with a longterm future in the NFL.
Put his Azz on the field and let’s just get this over with !!
Let’s see Moore’s Prodigy QB
Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:54 am to TigerSaurus
quote:
….. then sit Shough on the bench this entire season and waste over 10+ games of learning opportunities.
Just don’t complain and keep asking
“Why isn’t Shough Playing” ????
Nothing is being wasted. We have next year to evaluate him also.
I damn sure wouldn't draft a QB with the number 1 pick. I'd trade down if possible otherwise I'm taking the number 1 BPA. This team is deficient at a number of positions.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 11:00 am to saintsfan1977
There is no Franchise QB available to pick at #1 even if you attain the pick.
So don’t worry yourself about that action.
As a result….You will get to see Rattler and Shough through 2025 and 2026 … and I’m sure much longer.
Trading backward in the draft to gather more picks and pick BPA is a great strategy but Loomis is your GM and history is replete with him refusing to do so.
So forget that strategy.
The Saga of the Saints……
The 3-4 year rebuild is just getting started.
It will be a very bumpy ride.
So don’t worry yourself about that action.
As a result….You will get to see Rattler and Shough through 2025 and 2026 … and I’m sure much longer.
Trading backward in the draft to gather more picks and pick BPA is a great strategy but Loomis is your GM and history is replete with him refusing to do so.
So forget that strategy.
The Saga of the Saints……
The 3-4 year rebuild is just getting started.
It will be a very bumpy ride.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 11:03 am
Posted on 9/30/25 at 11:04 am to ButchJonesFB
It’s a problem just not the biggest problem… OL is
Posted on 9/30/25 at 11:06 am to TigerSaurus
quote:
Trading backward in the draft to gather more picks and pick BPA is a great strategy but Loomis is your GM and history is replete with him refusing to do so.
So forget that strategy.
The Saga of the Saints……
The 3-4 year rebuild is just getting started.
It will be a very bumpy ride.
Let's hope Kellen Moore tells him to suck an owners dick to trade back.
Everyone expected us to lose guaranteed once Brees retired.
We need a playmaker. We don't have any on this team.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 11:09 am to TwoDatBait
Draft a Mauling Right Guard….
Slip Ruiz to back-up Center and Guard position.
Keep your young starting Tackles injury free and let them develop.
Penning is now your dominant run blocker at Left guard.
McCoy is a good Center.
Again… find a Mauling Right Guard !!!
Posted on 9/30/25 at 11:12 am to TigerSaurus
quote:
And suddenly the saints will somehow break him of this habit he never resolved to this point in his career ??
Do you think that NFL teams draft players expecting them to stay exactly as they are? Or do they plan to develop them?
I’m not shilling for Shough. I wanna see him too. But I think it’s probably the smart play to put him in when he’s ready and when it makes sense to play to his strengths. We have 13 games to go and the team needs to be able to assess not just the play of QB but also other players too and the play of the QB affects those things.
We’re gonna see Shough. Relax.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 11:14 am to ButchJonesFB
dude hasnt won a game yet.he hasnt even gotten lucky enough to win a game. think bout all the crazy shite rookie qb's have done to beat the saints.... he hasnt even beaten some shite team out of pure luck. that tells you all you need to know. and yes I know he is no longer a rookie.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 11:19 am to ButchJonesFB
He is not a great quarterback but I would put him far down on the list of problems right now.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 11:21 am to ButchJonesFB
QB ie Rattler is no where close to biggest issue for the Saints.
Until you get better at OL, edge, and CB I would not waste a 1st or 2nd round unless its a great value pick.
Lets be honest we are at least 2years from competing to win Conference.
The coaching staff and scouting department along with GM right now are holding us back the most.
Until you get better at OL, edge, and CB I would not waste a 1st or 2nd round unless its a great value pick.
Lets be honest we are at least 2years from competing to win Conference.
The coaching staff and scouting department along with GM right now are holding us back the most.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 11:30 am to diat150
quote:
dude hasnt won a game yet.he hasnt even gotten lucky enough to win a game. think bout all the crazy shite rookie qb's have done to beat the saints.... he hasnt even beaten some shite team out of pure luck. that tells you all you need to know. and yes I know he is no longer a rookie.
Which shite team should he have beaten?
Tampa twice
Denver
Chargers
Washington
Green Bay
Raiders
Buffalo
Seattle
SF
Arizona
The Raiders? Does it really make a difference if he's 1-8? This is why his 0-9 record is a stupid argument. This team was dogshit last year and you want a 5th rd rookie to beat those teams with nothing at WR and OLINE? Not to mention the absolute worst coaches in the NFL.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 12:38 pm to ButchJonesFB
Draft the best defensive SEC guy. Philly continue to show the blueprint to winning it all.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 12:42 pm to Kool Kaliper
Personally I think the best course of action for the Saints is to get a game changing pass-catcher in 1st round, and try to find a reclamation project at QB in free agency. The success rate of QBs in the draft is just plain horrible
Rattler may not be "it" but Moore has him competing at least.
Rattler may not be "it" but Moore has him competing at least.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 12:45 pm to Rand AlThor
Hahahaha…
Y’all want to WAIT to see Shough.
Yeah… let him sit the bench for another year or two.
You may not have as much time as you think….
Isn’t he 26 years old already.
Hahaha
He’ll be getting on the field at Age 27 or age 28 …. for the first time.
Retire just a few years later.
Hahahaha
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