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PFF grades Dalton 3rd best QB in NFL (84.7) behind Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes
Posted on 10/26/22 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 10/26/22 at 7:05 pm
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Saints bench healthy Jameis Winston for PFF's third-best QB
Dennis Allen announced Wednesday that quarterback Jameis Winston has recovered from his back and ankle injuries. He also said Winston will remain benched for Andy Dalton.
There was a debate over who should be the team's starter after the offense showed marked improvement with Dalton under center.
After last Thursday's debacle in Arizona, however, there were doubts whether the purportedly "safer" Dalton was the best bet moving forward. He threw three interceptions against the Cardinals, one in the red zone and two others returned for touchdowns.
Regardless of those three bad outcomes, Pro Football Focus grades Dalton (84.7) as the third-best quarterback in football. He trails Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes.
The Saints are third in total offense per game (398.3 yards) and seventh in points (25). In four starts, Dalton is 83-of-131 (63.4 percent) for 946 yards with seven touchdowns and four interceptions. The team is 1-3 in his four starts.
Winston was 73-of-115 (63.5) for 858 yards with four touchdowns and five interceptions in the first three games with the team posting a 1-2 record.
The Saints averaged 17 points during Winston's three starts and are averaging 31 points during Dalton's run. It hasn't made much of a difference as the team sits at 2-5 with a defense that has yet to allow fewer than 20 points in a game this season.
Saints bench healthy Jameis Winston for PFF's third-best QB
Dennis Allen announced Wednesday that quarterback Jameis Winston has recovered from his back and ankle injuries. He also said Winston will remain benched for Andy Dalton.
There was a debate over who should be the team's starter after the offense showed marked improvement with Dalton under center.
After last Thursday's debacle in Arizona, however, there were doubts whether the purportedly "safer" Dalton was the best bet moving forward. He threw three interceptions against the Cardinals, one in the red zone and two others returned for touchdowns.
Regardless of those three bad outcomes, Pro Football Focus grades Dalton (84.7) as the third-best quarterback in football. He trails Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes.
The Saints are third in total offense per game (398.3 yards) and seventh in points (25). In four starts, Dalton is 83-of-131 (63.4 percent) for 946 yards with seven touchdowns and four interceptions. The team is 1-3 in his four starts.
Winston was 73-of-115 (63.5) for 858 yards with four touchdowns and five interceptions in the first three games with the team posting a 1-2 record.
The Saints averaged 17 points during Winston's three starts and are averaging 31 points during Dalton's run. It hasn't made much of a difference as the team sits at 2-5 with a defense that has yet to allow fewer than 20 points in a game this season.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 7:13 pm to hellsu
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Here's an AP story with a little more info.
METAIRIE, La. (AP) — Saints coach Dennis Allen has decided that Andy Dalton will remain the New Orleans Saints starting quarterback for a fifth straight week — even though Jameis Winston is healthy enough to return.
“Offensively, I feel like we’re in a little bit of a rhythm,” Allen said Wednesday after noting that Winston, who has been recovering from back and ankle injuries, was healthy enough to participate fully in practice.
“We’ve been moving the ball effectively. We’ve scored points," Allen continued. "So, we’re going to continue down that road with Andy.”
New Orleans (2-5) has lost five of six games and dropped two straight. But as the Saints prepare to host the Las Vegas Raiders on Sunday, they're just one game out of first place in the NFC South — a division in which every team has a losing record.
The Saints have averaged 31 points per game during Dalton's four starts after averaging 17 points in Winston's three starts.
And while Dalton threw three interceptions in a 42-34 loss at Arizona last week, one of those passes went through the hands, and off the helmet, of intended receiver Marquez Callaway. Another occurred on a throw in which Dalton was getting hit as he released the ballI. In the last four weeks, again, we’re one of the top offenses in terms of moving the ball, we’re one of the top offenses in terms of scoring points. And that’s really the name of the game,” Allen said. “We’ve got to do a better job of protecting the football. And if we do that, I think we can be highly effective offensively. ... If we continue to play well offensively and move the ball offensively, Andy will stay in there.
Neither Dalton who is 1-3 as a starter, nor Winston, who is 1-2, spoke with reporters a“We’ve been able to just kind of get into a good flow,” said running back and offensive captain Alvin Kamara, who's had 179 yards receiving and 251 yards rushing in the three games he's played with Dalton at quarterback.
“I think with Andy, he does a good job of just staying poised and being calm about the way he is in the pocket and the way he gets to his reads. I feel like he never panics,” Kamara said. “It seems like he gets to the right place at the right time. Minus some of the things we were doing that were self-inflicted, he’s played well. I think it’s going to be good moving forward.”
Saints rookie Chris Olave, who leads the team in receiving, had his season high of 147 yards receiving at Carolina in Winston's last of three starts to open the season. But he has continued to be productive in the three games he's played with Dalton, putting up 227 yards and both of his touchdowns this season in those games.
“They're both really good quarterbacks,” Olave said. “I know it's a tough decision.”
Olave said Dalton “gives the offense a lot of confidence."
“He’s poised back there. He’s confident. I feel like he does everything right," Olave said. "He knows where to throw the ball in certain coverages, he uses his check-downs, he doesn’t force the ball down the field.”
Winston, who won the Heisman Trophy and a college football national title with Florida State in the 2013 season, has completed 63.5% of his passes for 858 yards and four TDs vs. five interceptions this season.
Allen said the decision to stick with Dalton over a healthy Winston was not an easy one, “but yet, when you look at what we’ve been able to do statistically, we’re converting third downs, we’re scoring points, we’re moving the ball."
“There’s a lot of things that we’re doing really well offensively,” Allen added. "And I didn’t feel like there was any need to upset the apple cart there. We’ll keep going how we are.
Here's an AP story with a little more info.
METAIRIE, La. (AP) — Saints coach Dennis Allen has decided that Andy Dalton will remain the New Orleans Saints starting quarterback for a fifth straight week — even though Jameis Winston is healthy enough to return.
“Offensively, I feel like we’re in a little bit of a rhythm,” Allen said Wednesday after noting that Winston, who has been recovering from back and ankle injuries, was healthy enough to participate fully in practice.
“We’ve been moving the ball effectively. We’ve scored points," Allen continued. "So, we’re going to continue down that road with Andy.”
New Orleans (2-5) has lost five of six games and dropped two straight. But as the Saints prepare to host the Las Vegas Raiders on Sunday, they're just one game out of first place in the NFC South — a division in which every team has a losing record.
The Saints have averaged 31 points per game during Dalton's four starts after averaging 17 points in Winston's three starts.
And while Dalton threw three interceptions in a 42-34 loss at Arizona last week, one of those passes went through the hands, and off the helmet, of intended receiver Marquez Callaway. Another occurred on a throw in which Dalton was getting hit as he released the ballI. In the last four weeks, again, we’re one of the top offenses in terms of moving the ball, we’re one of the top offenses in terms of scoring points. And that’s really the name of the game,” Allen said. “We’ve got to do a better job of protecting the football. And if we do that, I think we can be highly effective offensively. ... If we continue to play well offensively and move the ball offensively, Andy will stay in there.
Neither Dalton who is 1-3 as a starter, nor Winston, who is 1-2, spoke with reporters a“We’ve been able to just kind of get into a good flow,” said running back and offensive captain Alvin Kamara, who's had 179 yards receiving and 251 yards rushing in the three games he's played with Dalton at quarterback.
“I think with Andy, he does a good job of just staying poised and being calm about the way he is in the pocket and the way he gets to his reads. I feel like he never panics,” Kamara said. “It seems like he gets to the right place at the right time. Minus some of the things we were doing that were self-inflicted, he’s played well. I think it’s going to be good moving forward.”
Saints rookie Chris Olave, who leads the team in receiving, had his season high of 147 yards receiving at Carolina in Winston's last of three starts to open the season. But he has continued to be productive in the three games he's played with Dalton, putting up 227 yards and both of his touchdowns this season in those games.
“They're both really good quarterbacks,” Olave said. “I know it's a tough decision.”
Olave said Dalton “gives the offense a lot of confidence."
“He’s poised back there. He’s confident. I feel like he does everything right," Olave said. "He knows where to throw the ball in certain coverages, he uses his check-downs, he doesn’t force the ball down the field.”
Winston, who won the Heisman Trophy and a college football national title with Florida State in the 2013 season, has completed 63.5% of his passes for 858 yards and four TDs vs. five interceptions this season.
Allen said the decision to stick with Dalton over a healthy Winston was not an easy one, “but yet, when you look at what we’ve been able to do statistically, we’re converting third downs, we’re scoring points, we’re moving the ball."
“There’s a lot of things that we’re doing really well offensively,” Allen added. "And I didn’t feel like there was any need to upset the apple cart there. We’ll keep going how we are.
This post was edited on 10/26/22 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 10/26/22 at 7:16 pm to hellsu
Well if there's one thing we all trust it's the decision making of this coaching staff amirite?
Posted on 10/26/22 at 8:10 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Well if there's one thing we all trust it's the decision making of this coaching staff amirite?
I think for now they have decided that all things considered Dalton is currently doing a better job than Winston did. Look at the numbers. The Saints are in 5th place with points scored and 8th place in passing offense and that is with a rash of injuries to our wideouts. Our issue right now is with the defense. Our defense is dead last in points allowed.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 8:19 pm to whatiknowsofar
Go ahead and say you think it’s racist to start Dalton over Winston
Posted on 10/26/22 at 8:45 pm to hellsu
I really don't understand the people who want jameis to start.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 8:56 pm to hellsu
Dalton has been very good.
If Calloway does anything but pop that ball straight in the air we win pretty comfortably.
That’s why we need Landry and Thomas back now. The division is arse - if we stop being so overly cautious with injuries we can still win it and do to someone what the 2010 Seahawks did to us.
Hell it could even be the Seahawks.
If Calloway does anything but pop that ball straight in the air we win pretty comfortably.
That’s why we need Landry and Thomas back now. The division is arse - if we stop being so overly cautious with injuries we can still win it and do to someone what the 2010 Seahawks did to us.
Hell it could even be the Seahawks.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 9:28 pm to hellsu
The Saints offensive DVOA of 20th in the NFL. Those stats are lies
Posted on 10/26/22 at 9:33 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Well if there's one thing we all trust it's the decision making of this coaching staff amirite?
Tried to tell you and It’s nice to never give up man, but sometimes you just have to take the L and go home….
This post was edited on 10/26/22 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:53 pm to tzimme4
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The Saints offensive DVOA of 20th in the NFL. Those stats are lies
If you are referring to the Offensive rankings then they are not lies. They are what they are. You don't get wins for Defense Adjusted Value Over Average. You get wins from putting points on the board.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 11:46 pm to hellsu
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If you are referring to the Offensive rankings then they are not lies. They are what they are. You don't get wins for Defense Adjusted Value Over Average. You get wins from putting points on the board.
So where are the wins to go with it?
Posted on 10/26/22 at 11:58 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Well if there's one thing we all trust it's the decision making of this coaching staff amirite?
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whatiknowsofar
Melt.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:00 am to Pesadelo_Triangulo
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So where are the wins to go with it?
The opponents are putting more points on the board because the defense has turned into wet toilet paper.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:17 am to RB10
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The opponents are putting more points on the board because the defense has turned into wet toilet paper.
Partial truths to shape a dumb narrative again from rb10.
Maybe we would have two more wins if we scored more than 6 points in the 2nd half against the Bengals. Too bad they figured out all you have to do is sell out on the run because Dalton damn sure isn't going to make you pay.
Maybe we would've beaten the cardinals if we don't throw 2 awful picks that cost us 10 points at minimum. (Pick 6 and awful throw by Dalton at the 5).
When our run game isn't absolutely on fire we are screwed with Dalton. Bum arse arm and if we rely on him to throw with volume picks are sure to follow.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 12:26 am to whatiknowsofar
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Partial truths to shape a dumb narrative again from rb10.
It’s not a partial truth waterhead. The defense is giving up 30 PPG.
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Maybe we would have two more wins if we scored more than 6 points in the 2nd half against the Bengals. Too bad they figured out all you have to do is sell out on the run because Dalton damn sure isn't going to make you pay.
Maybe we beat the Bengals if the defense doesn’t give up 30 points to them.
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Maybe we would've beaten the cardinals if we don't throw 2 awful picks that cost us 10 points at minimum. (Pick 6 and awful throw by Dalton at the 5).
Maybe we beat the Cardinals if the defense doesn’t give up 28 points to them.
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When our run game isn't absolutely on fire we are screwed with Dalton. Bum arse arm and if we rely on him to throw with volume picks are sure to follow.
Like I said, melt.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 3:43 am to RB10
Watching this kid melt day after day is one of the few enjoyable things about this season.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 4:54 am to RB10
The defense hasn’t been playing well…but…the turnovers have placed them in bad positions with other teams only needing short drives to score points. If we correct the turnovers the defense and offense would hold up to win most of these games.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 7:17 am to hellsu
Jay Cutler was also a great QB that also knew how to keep defenders fed.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 7:22 am to RB10
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When our run game isn't absolutely on fire we are screwed with Dalton. Bum arse arm and if we rely on him to throw with volume picks are sure to follow.
Like I said, melt.
So the one thing you can't explain away you just say I'm melting. Got it. Take your cop-out w bro. Congrats.
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