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re: Payton and Brees Home playoff record
Posted on 6/11/25 at 11:57 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 6/11/25 at 11:57 pm to H-Town Tiger
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They were Super Bowl contenders his last 4 years you moron
I’m talking about his final year, obviously, because I mentioned his final contract. And if we want to back up to the previous contract…yeah, Payton wanted Pat Mahomes.
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You don’t pass on that to “rebuild”
The “rebuild” I mentioned specifically said AFTER they went all in on Brees, this was in reference to Payton leaving so quickly after Brees - he didn’t stick around to rebuild.
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How many of the top QBs were “developed”?
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Guys sitting 1 year is rare more than they pretty much just Rodgers and Love in the last 30 years or so.
The team was built for Brees to be on it. The saints went all in on Brees, there was no development of a replacement strategy. He was a literal cap liability less than 12months after signing a 2 year contract.
Rarely are “Super Bowl contenders” looking to replace a QB in the following draft. Franchise QBs ready to start year 1 are slim pickings at the end of the 1st.
None of this is hard to understand, it’s self evident.
Oh and for basically the same exact deal, they could have gotten Tom Brady at. Who funny enough, did sit for a year before starting. Come to think of it, so did Brees. In the last 30 years too. Yeah, I’m the moron.
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Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:20 am to cbree88
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You mean Super Bowl pretenders
Nope they were 13-3 and the 2 seed in 2020 that makes them legit Super Bowl contenders Capt Hindsight.
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They tripped on their own feet in the playoffs every year
That’s a different discussion. If you want to criticize Brees or Payton for not advancing further in the playoffs that’s fine, that’s criticism. The idiot i was responding to was accusing Brees of being selfish and cashing checks when the team was in fact playing at a high level, which is the goal. he wanted them to “rebuild” but what are you “rebuilding” for if not to win a lot of games and make the playoffs with a shot to win the Super Bowl?
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:26 am to cbree88
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It’s definitely possible to do better than the Brees/Payton era. Saints fans are just accustomed to and accepting of mediocrity.
Sure it’s “possible” but it’s rare. It’s not “mediocrity” to go 11-5, 13-3, 13-3, 13-3 like the Saints did the last 4 years with Brees.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:16 am to OceanMan
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Payton wanted Pat Mahomes.
This has become a unicorn fantasy that is very easy to say now that we have seen what Mahomes has become. However in 2017 when Mahomes was drafted Brees was in the last year of his contract. If Payton really wanted him he could have traded up, he did that multiple times before and after and they could have let Brees walk after the 2017 season. He signed a new 2 year $50M deal in March of 2018.
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he didn’t stick around to rebuild.
Why was he obligated to?
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The team was built for Brees to be on it. The saints went all in on Brees, there was no development of a replacement strategy
And they won at a high level. They were the 2 seed his last year, what exactly is the problem? Who “rebuilds” when they have a franchise QB and the team is winning at a high level? Green Bay and…..
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Rarely are “Super Bowl contenders” looking to replace a QB in the following draft. Franchise QBs ready to start year 1 are slim pickings at the end of the 1st.
Exactly and Brees isn’t the first to retire with out the team having a “plan” in place. You go all in when you have a SB contending roster and worry about the “future” later.
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Oh and for basically the same exact deal, they could have gotten Tom Brady
Or Payton and Brady could have both gone to Miami
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Who funny enough, did sit for a year before starting
He was a 6th round pick, this is what we call an exception.
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Come to think of it, so did Brees. In the last 30 years too.
He was a 2nd round pick. He was also drafted by a bad team that had not made the playoffs in 5 years, not one that was a legitimate contender as “replacement strategy”.
Carson Palmer was 1-1 in 2003 also sat for a year. The point I’m making is it not necessary to draft a QB to “develop” and out side of GB no one really has done that with an aging Super Star QB while the team and QB were playing a high level.
The Saints problem is not that they didn’t have a plan in place while Brees was still here. It’s that they refused to rebuild after. It should have started in 2022 if not 2021.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:22 am to H-Town Tiger
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The Saints problem is not that they didn’t have a plan in place while Brees was still here. It’s that they refused to rebuild after. It should have started in 2022 if not 2021.
Agree and it was a colossal mistake that would’ve led to the GM getting fired at 31 teams.
No hope with our ownership. Hiring that retread Dumars for the Pels is another example showing the Saints are screwed.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:38 am to H-Town Tiger
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11-5, 13-3, 13-3, 13-3
The Saints were 12-4 in 2020. Not that it really changes your point, but if we talk about facts and statistics then we need to get them right.
I recognize that the Saints had a lot of regular season success in Drew’s last 4 years. Dumb, bad luck sank us in January 2018 with the Minneapolis Miracle, and that was just a damn shame.
However, I’m of the opinion that Drew’s aging noodle arm ruined our playoff runs during the next 3 seasons. He could barely throw downfield anymore and good playoff defenses took advantage by keeping everyone close to the line of scrimmage.
The bottom seemed to fall out on Drew’s arm in November 2018. Our offensive production declined significantly at the end of the 2018 regular season and during the ensuing playoff run, unfortunately.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 10:43 am
Posted on 6/12/25 at 6:26 pm to OceanMan
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You kind of just said it. He played into his 40s, and wanted full market value to do so, but couldn’t finish out his contract. Of course, he did get to break those records so good for him
he was never playing out his contract with the way Loomis structured it. “Full market value” for a guy who was 7th in yards, 5th in pass TDs and had a league best comp% over his final four seasons even though he MISSED 10 games? And he also won 76% of his games? tHe SaInTs WeReNt GoInG tO tElL hIm No …
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So he signed, which deferred developing any sort of replacement and gave us dead money to work around when he was ready to stop playing.
this may be the most retarded shite I’ve read on here. Brees prevented us from developing any replacement and he gave us the dead money? “He went out looking for himself” .. I could not give two shits about Brees but you’re on some funny bullshite 
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:14 pm to lsutigers23
I just re-watched the Saints Super Bowl.
Man, those were the days. Quarterback,
Coach and a pretty loaded roster on both sides of the ball.
Man, those were the days. Quarterback,
Coach and a pretty loaded roster on both sides of the ball.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 11:01 am to VOR
I think Darren Sharper was the difference between 2009 & 2011.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 11:56 am to Geauxldilocks
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Agree and it was a colossal mistake that would’ve led to the GM getting fired at 31 teams.
Jerry firing himself???
I disagree with you for 1 simple reason. Mickey has been responsible for hiring 3 coaches in his tenure. Payton, Allen, and now Moore. I don't think too many teams are firing their GM for the failures of a HC when they are coming off of the success from Payton. I suspect most franchises would give their GM a little more rope. They probably don't let him hold onto his buddy for as long as Mickey did DA, but not sure if that's necessarily terminal. What happened with Kellen should dictate Mickey's fate.
Moore is successful, you let Mickey ride the coattails until he's ready to retire and chalk up DA as the anomaly.
Moore sucks, you may consider allowing Mickey to retire to save the embarrassment, but you dictate when; and you realize Payton was the lucky anomaly.
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