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re: Our QB position is Payton's fault
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:55 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:55 am to Chad504boy
Taysom wasn't the answer either ... he is fine in his current role
EDIT: his contract however is atrocious
EDIT: his contract however is atrocious
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 8:56 am
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:05 am to tigahland
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Taysom wasn't the answer either ... he is fine in his current role
Taysom didn't get a fair shot with the health of the roster and having an offensive line with weapons then getting drilled with concussions and injuries. He's a ball control qb that can be effective enough in the passing game with weapons. He was poised to get us through a 2-3 year window to help with our cap space and then we move on to a young replacement at that time.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:19 am to matty3387
IMHO, Sean Payton's Bro-Love from Drew Brees burned with the intense fire of a thousand suns. IMHO, for years, Payton placed this Bromance highest on his list of priorities. When Payton made decisions WRT the QB spot on his roster, the long term best interests of the New Orleans Saints was NOT the highest priority. The Bromance was the highest priority.
Drafting and building for a future without Drew Brees could not help the Bromance. As such, Payton never ventured very far into that undertaking, i.e. to find Brees's replacement.
Even if Payton was signaled that Tom Brady was ready to play in NOLA, Payton would have rejected those advances, because, the Bromance was Payton's highest priority.
That is my theory.
Is the Bromance over now? We'll see. If Payton ends up coaching in the NFL next season (it won't be in NOLA), I have a hunch that Drew Brees may find a place on Payton's coaching staff.
Drafting and building for a future without Drew Brees could not help the Bromance. As such, Payton never ventured very far into that undertaking, i.e. to find Brees's replacement.
Even if Payton was signaled that Tom Brady was ready to play in NOLA, Payton would have rejected those advances, because, the Bromance was Payton's highest priority.
That is my theory.
Is the Bromance over now? We'll see. If Payton ends up coaching in the NFL next season (it won't be in NOLA), I have a hunch that Drew Brees may find a place on Payton's coaching staff.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 9:22 am
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:26 am to saintsfan1977
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Nobody knew he'd win an MVP and he was the last player picked meaning 31 other teams didn't see him as worthy of a first rd pick.
But, but, but Payton is supposedly a quarterback guru. And the chiefs jumped us is bullshite, if you want a player you make a move. He had no trouble ever trading up for other positions.
He had this fantasy that Taysom was the heir to brees, the Jameis and taysom going to battle it out. One year without brees and he saw the results of HIS choices to replace him. One year and he cute bait to "retire" before he destroyed the myth of him being this great quarterback coach, yet he is on TV daily talking about wanting to coach again.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 10:03 am to TigerDat
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Should have tried harder for Watson or Wilson
We couldn’t afford either of those guys because of the money owed to Brees, Hill, Jenkins, and Armstead.
Those Brees and Hill contracts were bad for the team. Jenkins retired and Armstead left, but they still negatively impact the salary cap.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 11:42 am to Wardniner01
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But, but, but Payton is supposedly a quarterback guru. And the chiefs jumped us is bullshite, if you want a player you make a move. He had no trouble ever trading up for other positions.
He had this fantasy that Taysom was the heir to brees, the Jameis and taysom going to battle it out. One year without brees and he saw the results of HIS choices to replace him. One year and he cute bait to "retire" before he destroyed the myth of him being this great quarterback coach, yet he is on TV daily talking about wanting to coach again.
No. He never thought Taysom was the heir to Brees. He was pumping him up but he's not stupid.
He wanted out from the Saints organization. It had nothing to do hitting a wall. He's been wanting out since 2018. Brees stayed until 2020. You can claim he knew he'd lose but I'm thinking after that rams game, He was done and knew he couldn't win another SB with the Saints.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 11:45 am to matty3387
One loss and all the retards show up
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:07 pm to saintsfan1977
Ok man I'm done I follow logic. If someone says anything about Payton or brees that is negative there's "another story"
They have three things in common 1. First to win saints Superbowl. 2. They both fricked the saints in the end. 3. Both are former employees and don't need a bazillion threads
They have three things in common 1. First to win saints Superbowl. 2. They both fricked the saints in the end. 3. Both are former employees and don't need a bazillion threads
Posted on 9/21/22 at 9:14 am to LaTexSaint
Well said! IDGAF who doesn't like it, but those two were the franchise's greatest gift and curse. They both had too much say within the organization.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 10:36 am to Chad504boy
quote:Wasn't given a shot? Stevie Wonder could see that he is not a full time starting NFL QB. He is fine in his role, but he cannot be a full time starter. Your love affair with him has gone beyond creepy.
Taysom didn't get a fair shot with the health of the roster and having an offensive line with weapons then getting drilled with concussions and injuries. He's a ball control qb that can be effective enough in the passing game with weapons. He was poised to get us through a 2-3 year window to help with our cap space and then we move on to a young replacement at that time.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 10:38 am to Wardniner01
quote:Mahomes was not projected to go that high, but he should have known that KC would trade up from #27 to get him? Noone has the benefit of hindsight. As far as Jackson, you have to hand it to the Ravens for designing a new offense around him. He would not survive in most offenses. It was discussed that Louisville had to "dumb down" and shorten the play calls because he could not remember/understand more complex play calls. Would Payton have done that? If not, he likely could have been a bust here.
But, but, but Payton is supposedly a quarterback guru. And the chiefs jumped us is bullshite, if you want a player you make a move. He had no trouble ever trading up for other positions.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:33 am to LaTexSaint
I love how people say we left several opportunities behind.
We lost games. And we're robbed.
You think GREEN Bay thought they would have more than one with Rodgers.
We lost games. And we're robbed.
You think GREEN Bay thought they would have more than one with Rodgers.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 7:30 am to lil 7thward
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My beef is with this narrative. Had one year throwing too many interceptions. Why can't he be labeled as a gun slinger?
Your beef is with the objective data regarding Winston's penchant for turnovers. Respectfully, you have no idea what you're talking about if you think it was just 2019.
Winston turnover ranks by year
2015: 16 starts, 15 INT (6th), 6 FMBL, 2 FL, 17 total turnovers
2016: 16 starts, 18 INT (2nd), 10 FMBL, 6 FL, 24 total turnovers
2017: 13 starts, 11 INT (17th), 15 FMBL, 7 FL, 18 total turnovers
2018: 9 starts, 14 INT (6th), 7 FMBL, 3 FL 17 total turnovers
2019: 16 starts, 30 INT (1st), 12 FMBL, 5 FL, 35 total turnovers
Winston is a shoe-in for averaging at least a turnover per game. This isn't some made up cherry-picked stat from his detractors. This is his entire rookie contract + 5th year option worth of data.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 1:55 pm to NOSHAU
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Mahomes was not projected to go that high, but he should have known that KC would trade up from #27 to get him?
Apparently Payton should have known by the way y'all praise him.
So you have to admit Andy Reid is the better coach the right? He saw what Payton didn't and got a franchise quarterback
Posted on 9/24/22 at 9:46 am to matty3387
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No one else to blame but him. For years I said they should've drafted a qb in the earlier rounds or trade for one. Instead, they chose to kick the can down the road and sign noodle arm to a ridiculous one year contracts and hamstring our cap.
A qb in any round but 1 is generally a huge waste of a pick. He wanted Mahomes but was unbelievably stupid about it.
Posted on 9/24/22 at 10:19 am to matty3387
Can’t argue with this. I feel like the Saints kept Brees for two years longer than they should have.
And here we are
And here we are
Posted on 9/24/22 at 10:44 am to CAS7659
Agreed. Too many chances to draft a QB, and Payton goes after Book?!?!?
Watson would have been bad, from a PR standpoint and of what you would have had to give up to get him.
Winston nor Hill is the answer. Carmichael doesn’t know how or when to use Hill at this point.
Watson would have been bad, from a PR standpoint and of what you would have had to give up to get him.
Winston nor Hill is the answer. Carmichael doesn’t know how or when to use Hill at this point.
Posted on 9/24/22 at 11:08 am to VictoryHill
Turnover machine quite obvious; didn’t they ever look at Tampa Bay film when he was there? Tampa Bay fans laughing at performance last weekend; good riddance. Saints need to move in a different direction.
Posted on 9/24/22 at 11:18 am to matty3387
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No one else to blame but him. For years I said they should've drafted a qb in the earlier rounds or trade for one. Instead, they chose to kick the can down the road and sign noodle arm to a ridiculous one year contracts and hamstring our cap.
The only blame is having a weak front office, Loomis is to blame for making bad deals. He gave CGJ away for nothing and he's gonna ball in philly. CGJ and a 7th for a 5th and a 6th not to mention the saints get the worst 6th round pick. If you want to lay blame look no further then the front office. Payton left the team because of that reason. Also Payton didn't want Brees back and was over ruled...
Posted on 9/24/22 at 11:24 am to sec627fan
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The only blame is having a weak front office, Loomis is to blame for making bad deals.
Does Payton have some mystical gold dick that is the fountain of youth? Y'all would take a bullet for him.
He will see how bad a front office can be in Jerry's world. Hell jimmy Johnson went to college with him, won two Superbowls for him and still quit
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