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Posted on 10/30/16 at 10:31 pm to apfour21
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He most certainly has weaknesses and they would show up a lot playing for this team.
What's his weakness? I hope not the fact that he was put in an offense that couldn't pass to save their life and had to run against 9 in the box. I don't think Payton and Brees have that problem. It is a mistake to go for need over PROVEN talent. Every position is an injury away from need.
Posted on 10/30/16 at 10:35 pm to mojoey
Well he struggles when his offensive line doesn't control POA, he struggles to make the first man miss especially in the backfield, lacks lateral quickness, not very shifty in traffic, lacks patience, he's not a great receiver, and his running style is gonna lead to injuries. His best attribute is running at the 2nd level which he won't get the chance to do here unless the offensive line gets better. He's a physical freak but far from the perfect player you make him out to be.
This post was edited on 10/30/16 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 10/30/16 at 10:39 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
What I saw today was a team that couldn't get it done in short yardage, as far as the running game is concerned.
Part of that is on the line. Part of that is playcalling. Part of that is the RB. Any draft pick that helps the line or the RB position is worthwhile, in my opinion.
Part of that is on the line. Part of that is playcalling. Part of that is the RB. Any draft pick that helps the line or the RB position is worthwhile, in my opinion.
Posted on 10/30/16 at 10:45 pm to SpqrTiger
Today was on the line and play calling. Once it was pretty clear the line wasn't gonna be able to drive them Payton should've spread the formation out if he wanted to keep running.
Posted on 10/30/16 at 11:11 pm to SpqrTiger
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Any draft pick that helps the line or the RB position is worthwhile, in my opinion.
yeah
just not a first rounder when you have the 30th ranked defense floundering around.
A high potential RB won't make this offense exponentially more efficient per game compared to a high potential DL/LB/DB.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 12:01 am to apfour21
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Well he struggles when his offensive line doesn't control POA, he struggles to make the first man miss especially in the backfield, lacks lateral quickness, not very shifty in traffic, lacks patience, he's not a great receiver, and his running style is gonna lead to injuries. His best attribute is running at the 2nd level which he won't get the chance to do here unless the offensive line gets better. He's a physical freak but far from the perfect player you make him out to be.
What people on here are missing is the fact that special backs make decent olines look great. What happened to the lions backfield after Barry Sanders left, Dallas after Emmitt, Minnesota after Peterson went down before his 2000 yard season? RB's with higher tier abilities are worth the risk. You do not pass on greatness. The only problem is not knowing what the future holds considering self inflicted challenges or injuries.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 12:17 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 12:04 am to Magazine St
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Minnesota after Peterson went down
He was averaging 1.6 ypc
Posted on 10/31/16 at 12:15 am to TigerBait1127
I was actually talking about the year before he broke out for that 2000 yard season.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 12:24 am to Magazine St
You are correct but the difference is some of Peterson and Sanders' greatest strengths were their suddenness, elusiveness, and ability to make the first man miss so they could make plays even when their offensive line is struggling whereas Leonard's a downhill runner who isn't very good at making guys miss in backfield or being shifty if the hole isn't there. Guice is very similar to them in that aspect which is why I like him as an NFL prospect although nowhere near their level but to be fair not many are.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 12:59 am to liquid rabbit
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We need an RB that doesn't fumble.
Basically.
The fumble in the Chiefs game was a tough break, that DB made a perfect punch on the ball Charles Tillman style but the turnover happened inside the Chiefs 20. That fumble definitely left points on the board unless some unforeseen bullshite were to happen after that.
the fumble today was Ingram trying to make yardage after there wasn't much there. But in the end.. bad ball security and then it directly led to a Seattle TD.
personally, I'm apathetic towards Ingram he's just an average back that plays in a good offense. Hightower seems like he's playing with more urgency than Ingram. Maybe Ingram's benching will make him feel the heat and he'll learn from it. But for now I'd like to see Hightower be the starter and let Ingram stew over his mistakes until he works his way out of the doghouse.
the Saints were almost paying Spiller and Ingram the same amount of money but Spiller is gone now and Ingram is in a slump. I'm not really dogging Ingram's contract but it goes to show what a waste Spiller was.
I'm guessing we could have used that money to fill a spot on defense instead. But oh well
tough break for Ingram lately but as long as we stick with the run they way we have the last few games we should be alright. And if Ingram stays demoted then I'm cool with it. If not... well then HOLD ON TO THE frickING BALL MAN!!!!!!!
Posted on 10/31/16 at 1:21 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Look Fournette is different you take him simple as that. Yall are spouting this same stupid arse shite that got us here, hopefully our dumb front office doesn't agree with you people on here smfh 
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 10:09 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 7:11 am to Brandincookem
Look at what Ezekiel Elliot has done for the Dallas Cowboys (to keep going what they started when they had Murray.) They realized quick that while they had a good o-line, the guy carrying the ball does make a difference.
I'm not saying draft Fournette, that would be awesome. What I'm more so saying is the o-line and RB combo we have right now isn't gonna cut it to carry Drew through his last few years.
I'm not saying draft Fournette, that would be awesome. What I'm more so saying is the o-line and RB combo we have right now isn't gonna cut it to carry Drew through his last few years.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 7:22 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Fournette would be key to helping the new quarterback get accustomed to the NFL.
Think long term.
Think long term.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 7:50 am to Brettesaurus Rex
I think the Saints will be all over LF7.
He has good hands, physical, every down player. He can do what Ingram and Cadet both do.
He's also a New Orleans kid. The FO will be looking for a big name player to take over for Brees as the face of the team in 3 years or so....enter Fournette.
I think having 7 would allow us to not need such a rotation at RB. I always wondered if SP found a RB that he loves, if he would make him a bellcow...
He has good hands, physical, every down player. He can do what Ingram and Cadet both do.
He's also a New Orleans kid. The FO will be looking for a big name player to take over for Brees as the face of the team in 3 years or so....enter Fournette.
I think having 7 would allow us to not need such a rotation at RB. I always wondered if SP found a RB that he loves, if he would make him a bellcow...
Posted on 10/31/16 at 7:56 am to blueboxer1119
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I always wondered if SP found a RB that he loves, if he would make him a bellcow...
I know that no one on this board wants to hear this, but I'm pretty sure CSP loves Ingram. Or he did prior to these fumbles.
I know damn sure based on the way that Brees talked about him in post game yesterday that Brees does. I'd bet CSP does too.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 8:00 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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For those who don't think this team needs another reliable RB please explain yourselves.
Because we are loaded with "reliable."
What we truly need at RB is "explosive."
That is a luxury with the 31st Def but not impossible to get later in the draft or via FA.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 8:05 am to Brettesaurus Rex
We don't need to take a guy like Fournette (which would be awesome), Cook, or McCaffery in the first round of this draft. We can take a decent one in the third or fourth (Chubb, Hurd, Gallman, or Connor). We work best with a running back by committee (see 2009, 2011, 2013). I do agree that Ingram is not a starter and that we need a lead back. The Saints must get the o-line back to the way it was years ago
Posted on 10/31/16 at 8:56 am to LlyodChristmas
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We work best with a running back by committee (see 2009, 2011, 2013). I do agree that Ingram is not a starter and that we need a lead back. The Saints must get the o-line back to the way it was years ago
"Running back by committee" is why we have to pass so much in the first place. Even when we have leads, we trust a pass more than ours backs handling the ball. Part of it is the push we get from the oline, bust sometimes id swear Ingram was running with his eyes closed.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 9:54 am to mojoey
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He is the only back that i can remember that does not have a weakness. He is in no way a normal RB.
He feasts on shite defenses.
He got 31 yards on 19 carries against a defense that would be last in the NFL if they were a pro team.
But you'll probably counter with his offensive line didn't do him any favors, right?
What exactly would be the difference if he was on the Saints then? Our offensive line is terrible at run blocking.
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