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re: Larry Holder Final Mock Draft
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:11 am to WicKed WayZ
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:11 am to WicKed WayZ
I worked the same trade and this is what I drafted.
24. Patrick Queen, LB LSU
*Trades 2021 first round pick to Bengals for 33 and 180
33. (Cin) Xavier McKinney, S Alabama
88. Bryan Edwards, WR South Carolina
130. James Morgan, QB FIU
169. Jonah Jackson, G Ohio State
180. (Cin) Nevelle Clark, CB UCF
203. Yasir Durant, OT Missouri
24. Patrick Queen, LB LSU
*Trades 2021 first round pick to Bengals for 33 and 180
33. (Cin) Xavier McKinney, S Alabama
88. Bryan Edwards, WR South Carolina
130. James Morgan, QB FIU
169. Jonah Jackson, G Ohio State
180. (Cin) Nevelle Clark, CB UCF
203. Yasir Durant, OT Missouri
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Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:13 am to Fun Bunch
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*Trades 2021 first round pick to Bengals for 33 and 180
Bengals aren't trading #33 pick for Saints 2021 #1
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:18 am to WicKed WayZ
If we end up with Gibson holy shite i'm all in ship Kamara. Dude will be a stud.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:21 am to WicKed WayZ
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180. Anthony Gordon, QB Wash State
This is a wasted pick made by Mockers that only look at box scores.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:22 am to Byron Bojangles III
I mean I would be pretty happy without the trade.
Queen/Duvernay/Gibson would be a pretty successful draft imo.
I wouldn't want Harris. He is a Center only not a Guard. Need someone with versatility or at least Guard only.
Queen/Duvernay/Gibson would be a pretty successful draft imo.
I wouldn't want Harris. He is a Center only not a Guard. Need someone with versatility or at least Guard only.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 11:24 am
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:29 am to wildcat81tiger86
Orgeron
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Orgeron says he's gotten a lot of calls from the Saints. "They definitely love the culture of our program. Sean Payton and Mickey have a lot of respect for what we're doing. Hopefully you'll see the first year LSU gets a first round pick to the Saints. I'd love to see that."
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:31 am to WicKed WayZ
YISSSS
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:36 am to NOSHAU
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I would not part with next year's #1 unless it was for a trade up to get a young QB in the 1st round.
The only issue I would have is if we are truly in "win now" mode, you can't spend resources building for the future. If the team's mindset was "we have the pieces in place to put us in the best position moving forward", this would be a solid move.
Based on the coach speak & moves so far; I think they are in win now mode. To me that would imply no project picks. Any picks in 1st 3 rounds are expected to make major contributions this year. Any picks in rounds 4-7 would be expected to contribute in some fashion in 2020, just not necessarily being relied on to start this year, at least at the beginning of the year.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:46 am to Hester Carries
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This is a wasted pick made by Mockers that only look at box scores.
The stats are absurd and certainly get your attention
But he’s been drawing praise from some of the QB analysts like Seth Galina. Mechanics, poise etc. Some of his advanced metrics look good. I’ve seen Jimmy G comps and some people suggesting he’s a belicheck type pick
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:48 am to Fun Bunch
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Not a huge fan of trading future 1sts at this point. I know we are all in, but I think this is the year we have to start planning for life without Brees, and a 1st round pick could be essential next year.
What would you hope to get next year with that first? It is highly unlikely that there would be a franchise qb in that range. What difference does it make to take an extra impact player now or next year? The only difference is that you are competing for a Super Bowl this year. Next year probably not so much.
I will admit that I like duvernay but I’m not confident that he can have an impact in the upcoming year. He is not a very good route runner at this point in his career. Not sure if he is ready year 1. I think he will need to develop.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:55 am to Mpd31
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What would you hope to get next year with that first? It is highly unlikely that there would be a franchise qb in that range. What difference does it make to take an extra impact player now or next year? The only difference is that you are competing for a Super Bowl this year. Next year probably not so much.
Franchise QBs don't just go in the top 10 and the draft has proven that again and again. Good QBs go in the late first and 2nd round all of the time.
Plus, if you want to move up to get a guy, you have that 1st round pick and the following year's. You have ammunition to make moves when you really NEED to.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:55 am to Mpd31
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What difference does it make to take an extra impact player now or next year? The only difference is that you are competing for a Super Bowl this year. Next year probably not so much.
Roster stability & construction, salary implications, a Saints future post-Brees.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:02 pm to Lester Earl
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Roster stability & construction, salary implications
This would be my biggest problem with the move. However I would hope we would be in a better position in regards to cap space four years down the line and post Brees. I would imagine once Brees retires that we would start trying to free some cap.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:08 pm to Fun Bunch
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Franchise QBs don't just go in the top 10 and the draft has proven that again and again. Good QBs go in the late first and 2nd round all of the time.
I feel like this is happening less and less. The major up and comers in the league are top picks. Teams are figuring out how to scout qbs and take chances on qbs earlier. The ones that are falling are typically pretty bad. There are some exceptions but it is rare if you look back the last few years.
Lamar is an exception but he does most of his damage with his legs. He doesn’t throw a whole lot of passes.
Honestly I would be interested in seeing what Taysom could do for one year. If he fails then you got an early pick the following year to work with. Who cares if you have a down year next year if you win a Super Bowl this year. When you have a chance you have to take it within reason bc it doesn’t happen often.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:18 pm to GynoSandberg
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But he’s been drawing praise from some of the QB analysts like Seth Galina. Mechanics, poise etc
see i think he has atrocious in-game mechanics
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:25 pm to Hester Carries
Let me clarify - they say his actual throwing mechanics are good. I agree he’s a bit unconventional in the pocket.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:32 pm to WicKed WayZ
did that same trade and ended up with this
24.Patrick Queen OLB LSU
33. Jeff Gladney CB TCU
88. Devin Duvernay WR Texas
130. James Morgan QB FIU
169. Saahdiq Charles OT LSU
180. Evan Weaver ILB Cal
203. Dalton Keene TE VA Tech
24.Patrick Queen OLB LSU
33. Jeff Gladney CB TCU
88. Devin Duvernay WR Texas
130. James Morgan QB FIU
169. Saahdiq Charles OT LSU
180. Evan Weaver ILB Cal
203. Dalton Keene TE VA Tech
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:37 pm to Cheesy Beaver
Holder’s draft was better than both remocks I have seen. Gibson was kind of the steal of that mock and y’all both took a project qb at that spot.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:46 pm to Lester Earl
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Roster stability & construction, salary implications, a Saints future post-Brees
Trading a single first round pick is going to cost us all of that? Even if Gladney is a starter for us for years? I get being hesitant to ship off first round picks, especially because this is Brees’ final run and we have to be just as mindful of the future. But if you’re getting a CB that’s going to start for you for years, then I think that’s just as much a win-now move as a move 4-5 years from now, maybe even longer.
With Holder’s mock, we’d have the deepest roster in the league, even with contracts coming up, we’d still be in an OK position post-Brees. I don’t think 2021 first round pick is going to be nearly as important as the 2022 first round pick. That will be the pick that could determine our future as a franchise, depending on what Taysom does as the starter in 2021.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:54 pm to mindbreaker
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33. Jeff Gladney, CB TCU
seems like a reach to trade back into the second round for.
Yeah. You're saying that Gladney is a 1st rounder. I don't think he is.
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