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re: Jalen Milroe
Posted on 4/25/25 at 9:45 am to Cracking
Posted on 4/25/25 at 9:45 am to Cracking
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Hurts spent 1 year at Oklahoma so he had a new coach too.
Absolutely correct, but that offense was stacked and had more consistency with players and coaching than Bama's this year.
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No they're not. Milroe isn't nearly the passer Hurts is. It's not even close.
Hurts was inconsistent as a passer in college and occasionally in the NFL, but I'm more comparing their physical measurables not their passing ability/polish.
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No he can't. Guys who can't throw in college don't suddenly get great in the league.
Systems change and QBs develop. Hurts has definitely developed as a passer under Moore. Milroe makes some great throws. His arm and accuracy are very good at times, but his decision making and ability to throw receivers open are his weakness. I think that's where his inconsistency is and it can hopefully be improved if the Saints go that route.
I'm not a huge fan of Milroe because of everything you've pointed out, but also not opposed to drafting him if they don't need to reach for him.
You're entitled to your opinion but on a roster in such desperate need for players that can step in and start TODAY, burning a pick on a gadget QB player that wasn't great in college to come in and chase the ghost of Taysom Hill is stupid.
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 9:48 am to JiminyCricket
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Hurts spent 1 year at Oklahoma so he had a new coach too.
In a damn air raid offense in the big 12. That saban said he should transfer to to become a better passer because he was pretty bad at bama.
Milroe was a bad passer last year but it’s disingenuous as hell to say hurts was a good passer for the vast majority of his college career. He was downright horrible for some of those bama years.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 9:52 am to JiminyCricket
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You're entitled to your opinion but on a roster in such desperate need for players that can step in and start TODAY, burning a pick on a gadget QB player that wasn't great in college to come in and chase the ghost of Taysom Hill is stupid.
I don’t look at it this way. I don’t give a shite about who can start today. That’s going to likely be the difference in a win or MAYBE 2 in a year highly likely to be a down one anyway.
The only question that should be asked about milroe is does KM think he can take those tools and have a special qb in the future. If he has that vision then it’s worth it and the floor of a gadget player at least makes it more palatable as opposed to a pocket passer who fails and washes out. If he doesn’t have a vision for him then obviously its pointless given the needs we have.
This post was edited on 4/25/25 at 10:19 am
Posted on 4/25/25 at 9:59 am to JiminyCricket
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burning a pick on a gadget QB player that wasn't great in college to come in and chase the ghost of Taysom Hill is stupid.
I'm not comparing to Taysom. I'm comparing Milroe to Hurts. Taysom is Milroe's floor as a QB in my opinion... Hurts is a good ceiling in the NFL with the right pieces around him. Philly was stacked on Offense, so that's a very tough comparison when looking at the Saints roster though.
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a roster in such desperate need for players that can step in and start TODAY
I'm looking at the value on defense at edge and CB early today. Luther Burden WR would be a good pick, but the Saints need some youth on defense with skill.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:16 am to St Augustine
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Milroe was a bad passer last year but it’s disingenuous as hell to say hurts was a good passer for the vast majority of his college career. He was downright horrible for some of those bama years.
Hurts was an objectively better passer than Milroe in college. More touchdowns, more yards, better comp percentage and less picks. If your opinion is that Hurts wasn’t a good passer in college, why would you want a guy who is statistically worse than he was?
This post was edited on 4/25/25 at 10:17 am
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:18 am to St Augustine
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I don’t look at it this way. I don’t give a shite about who can start today. That’s going to likely be the difference in a win or MAYBE 2 in a year highly likely to be a down one anyway.
The only question that should be asked about milroe is does KM think he can take those tools and have a special qb in the future. If he has that vision then it’s worth it and the floor of a gadget player at least makes it more palatable as opposed to a pocket passer who fails and washes out. If he doesn’t have a vision for him then obviously its pointless given the needs we have.
We're just going to agree to disagree here I think. Why waste a draft pick when you have needs literally everywhere on a guy who can maybe be a gadget for you in spots, maybe?
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:20 am to Redzone762
N one is replacing. Taysom Hills role.
Why do you people not understand that. No team in the NFL has able to even come close in the last 5 years. And it’s well documented that teams have been trying including the saints.
He’s a unicorn and no one anytime in the future will be about to be plugged into his role. Better to design your offense for life with out him and use him for as long as you can till he hangs it up.
Why do you people not understand that. No team in the NFL has able to even come close in the last 5 years. And it’s well documented that teams have been trying including the saints.
He’s a unicorn and no one anytime in the future will be about to be plugged into his role. Better to design your offense for life with out him and use him for as long as you can till he hangs it up.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:21 am to JiminyCricket
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. If your opinion is that Hurts wasn’t a good passer in college, why would you want a guy who is statistically worse than he was?
My opinion is players with talent can get better especially in a great system. It doesn’t have to be absolutes. Hurts was in about as good a situation as possible between Oklahoma and Philly.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:22 am to St Augustine
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My opinion is players with talent can get better especially in a great system. It doesn’t have to be absolutes. Hurts was in about as good a situation as possible between Oklahoma and Philly.
If they wanna take Milroe in the 6th round, sure. It’s a dice roll that late anyway. Anything in the top 5 is stupid. Other than running fast, Milroe has no real translatable traits to the league.
This post was edited on 4/25/25 at 10:24 am
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:24 am to JiminyCricket
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We're just going to agree to disagree here I think. Why waste a draft pick when you have needs literally everywhere on a guy who can maybe be a gadget for you in spots, maybe?
Because it clearly wouldn’t be seen as a waste by Moore. He’s see it as an opportunity at potentially an elite player at the most important position in sports.
We do have needs everywhere, including qb. If he thinks milroe could solve that need in a big way in 2 years that’s about as big a return of investment on a 2 or 3 as you can realistically hope for.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:25 am to JiminyCricket
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Anything in the top 5 is stupid
Yeah I couldn’t disagree more with that
pure hyperbole. 
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:26 am to JiminyCricket
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You're entitled to your opinion but on a roster in such desperate need for players that can step in and start TODAY, burning a pick on a gadget QB player that wasn't great in college to come in and chase the ghost of Taysom Hill is stupid.
Will you still have this attitude next year if we are picking at 15 and there's only 1-2 good QBs expected to go 1 and 2? You gonna say "we shouldn't do it, we have needs on the roster" when presented with the idea of giving up a bounty of picks to move up for your boy Nuss?
How long do we "build up the roster" before we get a QB? There is never going to be a QB who is rated appropriately sitting on the board where we pick. It is a position you have to take a risk and reach for.
This post was edited on 4/25/25 at 10:32 am
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:29 am to Redzone762
I am turning in my fan card if we draft that crap!
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:30 am to JiminyCricket
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No they're not. Milroe isn't nearly the passer Hurts is. It's not even close.
Hurts was an average passer in college, but he was great with his feet. Milroe has better feet.
I would take Milroe over any running back in this draft.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:33 am to saints5021
milroe is crap. he is no jayden daniels or jalen hurts. move on people.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:37 am to saints5021
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Why? Milroe has the potential to be Hurts, who just dominated the NFL
Very seriously doubt he will even come close to being halfway good as hurts. just because he's fast does not mean he's a good QB he sucks.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:38 am to Redzone762
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We’re going to need a replacement for Taysom Hill and he would fit that role perfectly.
Lol
Dude ain't doing Taysom type shite. People need let that shite go.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:40 am to Sasquatch45
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Just take him and run RPO .
You probably don't even know the difference between RPO & zone read.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:43 am to saints5021
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Milroe has the potential to be Hurts, who just dominated the NFL with the very coach that we have. If Milroe becomes an average passer, he is a league MVP. Hell, he may only have to throw the ball 10-15 times a game with the way he runs.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:46 am to Cracking
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Absolutely correct, but that offense was stacked and had more consistency with players and coaching than Bama's this year.
Alabama WR Ryan Williams is a future 1st round pick & he threatened to transfer out had Milroe returned for another season along with other Alabama offensive players. Think about that for a second.
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