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re: It appears that Shough is getting better as camp has gone on
Posted on 8/15/25 at 10:01 am to Weekend Warrior79
Posted on 8/15/25 at 10:01 am to Weekend Warrior79
Exactly .. ive never seen a guy be labeled a bust before actually, ya know, busting...
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 11:16 am to VA LSU fan
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Age and injury history are a concern.
I understand injury history, the dude is 25 years old he's not some relic out there lol. People are funny
Posted on 8/15/25 at 1:21 pm to GynoSandberg
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The NFL age isn’t the concern, he’s just the first highly drafted, old QB who didn’t dominate the NCAA
Right
People aren’t concerned that 25 is old
They’re concerned as to how much development can happen after that age and how there’s no historical record of success for this situation
Posted on 8/15/25 at 2:30 pm to burke985
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dude is 25 years old he's not some relic out there lol. People are funny
He was in the same recruiting class as Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields, they’re going on their 5th year in the NFL. Better QBs who still haven’t developed into anything
Brandon Weeden and Weinke played 5 years of pro baseball before they came back. This guy was in college for 7 years; it is unprecedented 40th overall pick. It is bizarre to blow off his age
Posted on 8/15/25 at 2:43 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 8/15/25 at 2:51 pm to geauxtigers
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It is bizarre to blow off his age
Bo Nix and Michael Penix get drafted in 1st round at age 24 and no one bats an eye, Shough is drafted in the 2nd at age 25 and he's probably a has-been? Got it. Osteoporosis probably kicked in during that extra year.
This post was edited on 8/15/25 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 8/15/25 at 2:54 pm to Handsome Pete
Rattler had over 1300 pass attempts in college mostly in 4 yrs.
Shough had 950 spread out mostly over 5 yrs.
age is only part of the process of football maturation.
Shough had 950 spread out mostly over 5 yrs.
age is only part of the process of football maturation.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 3:12 pm to Handsome Pete
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Bo Nix and Michael Penix get drafted in 1st round at age 24 and no one bats an eye,
They were accomplished QBs on the national stage of college football? Surely you can see the difference here:
Bo Nix led the NATION is completion % back to back years, pass TDs his final year, and was 2nd in the nation in pass yards. 3rd in Heisman voting
Michael Penix led the NATION in pass yards back to back years, was 3rd in pass TD to Nix and Jayden Daniels his senior year, won the Maxwell award, was runner up in the Heisman and finished 8th his junior year
Shough was 5th in the ACC in pass yards and pass TDs, 10th in comp% in the ACC, 6th in QB rating in the ACC.
Comparing him to accomplished QBs is worse than the people calling him a bust. Can we just rest on the fact he is tooled up, and has prototypical size? He’s not the first QB to be drafted high based off these things. There’s nothing wrong with believing he has a huge ceiling, just like there’s nothing wrong with being skeptical of the resume, age and injury.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 3:24 pm to GynoSandberg
I get it but it is pretty ridiculous that people are saying the same thing about Penix. He had multiple torn acls. They’re 7 months apart or something. I hated the Shough pick mainly because of his age. His injury history (collarbones really) aren’t a concern. Def not as much so as knee issues.
Also, you’re comparing stats to qbs running completely different systems. Shough was running a pro style offense at Louisville meanwhile Penix and company are running spread pass happy offenses.
That was part of the Shough appeal to scouts and coaches. The system he played in and thrived in
Also, you’re comparing stats to qbs running completely different systems. Shough was running a pro style offense at Louisville meanwhile Penix and company are running spread pass happy offenses.
That was part of the Shough appeal to scouts and coaches. The system he played in and thrived in
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:08 pm to RawDog7984
I am not concerned with Shough’s injuries
Did he thrive though? His numbers were near identical to the previous QB under Brohm (Jack Plummer). He was an UDFA, so I’m not sure Shough’s performance in the offense was anything special.
It’s great he played in a “pro style offense”, I think that will actually benefit him in Moore’s system. Nearly all of the stud QBs in the league played in spread systems in college though. Do we know what NFL QBs come from pro style system?
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That was part of the Shough appeal to scouts and coaches. The system he played in and thrived in
Did he thrive though? His numbers were near identical to the previous QB under Brohm (Jack Plummer). He was an UDFA, so I’m not sure Shough’s performance in the offense was anything special.
It’s great he played in a “pro style offense”, I think that will actually benefit him in Moore’s system. Nearly all of the stud QBs in the league played in spread systems in college though. Do we know what NFL QBs come from pro style system?
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:41 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:Got it. If GynoSandberg likes you, age doesn't matter. If not, he won't shut up about it.
Comparing him to accomplished QBs is worse than the people calling him a bust.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 6:14 pm to GynoSandberg
I think people need to to back and watch Philly offense last year. Jalen is a better than average QB but the reason he worked so well in KM offense is bc he made little if any mistakes.
Go ahead and start Shough next game. Watch for multiple INTs, short arming WRs, and letting the RB get schlacked at the line. Shough is going to try for hero ball to make a complete pass vs just taking the sack.
Y'all will learn to appreciate Rattler, but you need to see what a bum in the offense that Shough will look like
Go ahead and start Shough next game. Watch for multiple INTs, short arming WRs, and letting the RB get schlacked at the line. Shough is going to try for hero ball to make a complete pass vs just taking the sack.
Y'all will learn to appreciate Rattler, but you need to see what a bum in the offense that Shough will look like
Posted on 8/15/25 at 6:20 pm to Handsome Pete
Wasn’t intended to hurt your feelings. I do believe if Shough was one of the best QBs in the nation in back to back years he would’ve went in the top 10 despite his age
Posted on 8/15/25 at 6:23 pm to GynoSandberg
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Shough was 5th in the ACC in pass yards and pass TDs, 10th in comp% in the ACC, 6th in QB rating in the ACC.
What a bullshite comment without actually analyzing the stats. The top (3) QB's had on average 143 more attempts than Shough last year.
H2H vs Cam Ward:
Shough: 31-51/ 342 yds/ 4TD
#1 pick: 21-32/ 319/ 4TD
Miami and SMU had the easiest schedules in the ACC. Clemson was ahead of Louisville in strength of schedule but lost to them. If Louisville doesn't blow the game vs Stanford they replace Clemson and possibly beat SMU. They were ranked 16th and that win would have easily gotten them close to top 10 and a win vs SMU would have gotten them a bye.
Syracuse didn't play Clemson, SMU, or Louiville.
Miami didn't play Clemson or SMU.
Clemson didn't play SMU, Miami, or Syracuse. (Played Georgia and scored 3pts)
Louisville didn't play Syracuse but played all (3) top teams of Miami, Clemson, and SMU. They also played Notre Dame.
The average score differential between Louisville and those (4) teams was -2.25pts
The 2 best defenses in the conference were Clemson/ SMU and none of those other QB's even had to play them.
Shough was (1) drive away from a good chance at the CFP and a win vs SMU away from atleast top 6.
Louisville is 1-8 vs Clemson since 2014 and Shough was the QB for the 1 win.
The dude was 1-2 field goals/ drives away from taking fricking Louisville to the CFP in the 1 year he was healthy and y'all want to talk shite like he was some atrocious QB throughout college while playing 12 games every year.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 6:47 pm to Dantheman504
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What a bullshite comment without actually analyzing the stats. The top (3) QB's had on average 143 more attempts than Shough last year.
You can take away the volume stats bubba. Being 10th in comp% with his volume is… something. And he was still 5th in TD%, and still 6th in QB rating. Nothing really changes.
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The dude was 1-2 field goals/ drives away from taking fricking Louisville to the CFP in the 1 year he was healthy and y'all want to talk shite like he was some atrocious QB throughout college while playing 12 games every year
How many shoulda woulda coulda games are you going to go through? Stanford bro?! Did you watch Stanford last year? SMU at home? We gotta win those games.
And Jack Plummer went 10-4 the year before Shough and was 7-1 in conference. Finished 19th in the final polls. What does all that mean to you in terms of future NFL success?
Posted on 8/15/25 at 7:05 pm to VA LSU fan
Age? He’s 26, he’s a kid lol.
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