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Is the Saints D-Unit the only one in the NFL w/o at least one Impact Player?
Posted on 9/17/12 at 11:55 am
Posted on 9/17/12 at 11:55 am
New Orleans-????
Atlanta- John Abraham
Tampa Bay- Young Talent: Barron,Clayborn, Mason Foster, STILL UNPROVEN THOUGH
Carolina- Charles Johnson
Green Bay- Clay Matthews
Detroit- Suh
Chicago- Julius Peppers
Minnesota- Jared Allen
Arizona- Darnell Dockett
St. Louis- Chris Long
San Fran- Pick One (Patrick Willis)
Seattle- Earl Thomas
Dallas- Damarcus Ware
N.Y. Giants- Pierre-Paul
Redskins- Brian Orakpo
Philly- Book D-Ends:Babin & Cole
Buffalo- Mario Williams
New England- Vince Wilfork
N.Y. Jets- Darrell Revis
Miami- Cameron Wake
San Diego- Shaun Phillips
K.C.- Eric Berry
Denver- Von Miller
Oakland- Richard Seymour
Clevland- Joe Haden
Pittsburgh- Pick One (The Hair)
Baltimore- Pick One (Nata)
Cincy- Geno Atkins
Houston- Johnathan Joseph
Indy- Dwight Freeney
Jacksonville-????
Tennessee-????
Outside of the Jags and Titans, It seems as if every other team in the League has at least one guy who can make a big play at some point in the game. I am sorry guys but It has been too many years now w/o that type of player on our team. Where's the ghost of Sharper when you need him?
Atlanta- John Abraham
Tampa Bay- Young Talent: Barron,Clayborn, Mason Foster, STILL UNPROVEN THOUGH
Carolina- Charles Johnson
Green Bay- Clay Matthews
Detroit- Suh
Chicago- Julius Peppers
Minnesota- Jared Allen
Arizona- Darnell Dockett
St. Louis- Chris Long
San Fran- Pick One (Patrick Willis)
Seattle- Earl Thomas
Dallas- Damarcus Ware
N.Y. Giants- Pierre-Paul
Redskins- Brian Orakpo
Philly- Book D-Ends:Babin & Cole
Buffalo- Mario Williams
New England- Vince Wilfork
N.Y. Jets- Darrell Revis
Miami- Cameron Wake
San Diego- Shaun Phillips
K.C.- Eric Berry
Denver- Von Miller
Oakland- Richard Seymour
Clevland- Joe Haden
Pittsburgh- Pick One (The Hair)
Baltimore- Pick One (Nata)
Cincy- Geno Atkins
Houston- Johnathan Joseph
Indy- Dwight Freeney
Jacksonville-????
Tennessee-????
Outside of the Jags and Titans, It seems as if every other team in the League has at least one guy who can make a big play at some point in the game. I am sorry guys but It has been too many years now w/o that type of player on our team. Where's the ghost of Sharper when you need him?
This post was edited on 9/17/12 at 12:10 pm
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Posted on 9/17/12 at 12:02 pm to 504Voodoo
not only one impact player but you'd like one impact player at every level IMO. Front 4, LB's, and someone in the secondary that is able to be the impact player whether their success being a direct result from production of the rest or not.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 12:08 pm to 504Voodoo
quote:That's a shame considering the emphasis they've put on drafting defensive players over the last several years.
the Saints D-Unit the only one in the NFL w/o at least one Impact Player
Posted on 9/17/12 at 12:10 pm to 504Voodoo
quote:
New England- Vince Wilfork
Add Chandler Jones
Two Forced fumbles in two weeks
Posted on 9/17/12 at 12:11 pm to SJS Eagle 85
All of our scouts must be off minded cause we sure find our share of impact players on that side of the ball.
Reminds me of the steelers...just bass akwards.
Reminds me of the steelers...just bass akwards.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 12:19 pm to goatmilker
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All of our scouts must be off minded cause we sure find our share of impact players on that side of the ball.
Reminds me of the steelers...just bass akwards.
Exactly.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 12:21 pm to SJS Eagle 85
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That's a shame considering the emphasis they've put on drafting defensive players over the last several years.
It is a shame b/c we have some solid guys but not one guy is spectacular. We have never recovered from Sedrick Ellis never panning out.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 12:23 pm to 504Voodoo
Pondered this very question last week.
Defense looks slow, tentative, and out of position. We don't seem to have any DLs who can beat an OL outright, a linebacker who stuffs the run regularly, or a DB who actually can cover one on one.
Defense looks slow, tentative, and out of position. We don't seem to have any DLs who can beat an OL outright, a linebacker who stuffs the run regularly, or a DB who actually can cover one on one.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 12:23 pm to 504Voodoo
quote:I think "solid" might even be a stretch. The only ones I'd give that label to are Greer and maybe Lofton (jury is still out on him).
It is a shame b/c we have some solid guys but not one guy is spectacular
Posted on 9/17/12 at 12:41 pm to SJS Eagle 85
Roman Harper definitely has a huge impact in games
Posted on 9/17/12 at 12:46 pm to goatmilker
quote:Or it could just be that our scouts suck and all the "gems" they find on the offensive side of the ball just happen to have their success relate directly back to Drew Brees' greatness.
All of our scouts must be off minded cause we sure find our share of impact players on that side of the ball.
Reminds me of the steelers...just bass akwards.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 12:51 pm to eyeran
quote:Extremely solid theory. I would like to address this with the "Chicken/Egg" postulate. If Drew makes those players better then who is causing who to suck now...Drew or those "gems"?
Or it could just be that our scouts suck and all the "gems" they find on the offensive side of the ball just happen to have their success relate directly back to Drew Brees' greatness.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 12:52 pm to SJS Eagle 85
quote:I think Jenkins is solid. Seems to be the best tackler in the secondary, maybe best on the team. Plus, he doesn't get any help from the mediocre corners (except maybe Greer) and olbs on his side of the field.
I think "solid" might even be a stretch.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 12:59 pm to SJS Eagle 85
quote:"Suck" is relative. About 30 teams would love our offensive struggles, while still putting up 30 points
Extremely solid theory. I would like to address this with the "Chicken/Egg" postulate. If Drew makes those players better then who is causing who to suck now...Drew or those "gems"?
Posted on 9/17/12 at 1:02 pm to saintsfan92612
quote:
Roman Harper definitely has a huge impact in games
ISWYDT
Posted on 9/17/12 at 1:09 pm to eyeran
quote:
"Suck" is relative. About 30 teams would love our offensive struggles, while still putting up 30 points
like I said earlier. There is a big difference in a team putting up 30 with at least 7 of that coming when the other team is up by two scores in the 4th quarter and a team putting up 30ish earlier in the game. We had 13 freaking points going into the 4th quarter yesterday. WAY too many 3 and outs. Offensive numbers have been skewed a bit.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 1:16 pm to St Augustine
I agree. Im not arguing that they're rolling on offense. Just saying I think a lot of our hits in the draft and FA are on offense because of Brees.
During that game, Martz said Payton might be the best playcaller of all time. Its showing.
We're really predictable right now. Ingram in the game = run up the gut. Sproles, zero carries so far so teams dont have to play the run with him in. Almost no passes from under center, they're all coming from shotgun, and we're not offsetting that by running any draws or anything to keep defenses honest. Etc...
During that game, Martz said Payton might be the best playcaller of all time. Its showing.
We're really predictable right now. Ingram in the game = run up the gut. Sproles, zero carries so far so teams dont have to play the run with him in. Almost no passes from under center, they're all coming from shotgun, and we're not offsetting that by running any draws or anything to keep defenses honest. Etc...
This post was edited on 9/17/12 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 9/17/12 at 1:19 pm to eyeran
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Just saying I think a lot of our hits in the draft and FA are on offense because of Brees.
During that game, Martz said Payton might be the best playcaller of all time. Its showing.
We're really predictable right now. Ingram in the game = run up the gut. Sproles zero carries so far so teams dont have to play the run with him in. Almost no passes from under center, they're all coming from shotgun, etc...
dead on
I said in an earlier thread I think our WR woes have a lot to do with this. Payton knew how to use them in perfect harmony making the unit much stronger than each individually. Now we've got a bunch of late round/udfa. 
Posted on 9/17/12 at 1:22 pm to eyeran
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We're really predictable right now. Ingram in the game = run up the gut. Sproles, zero carries so far so teams dont have to play the run with him in. Almost no passes from under center, they're all coming from shotgun, and we're not offsetting that by running any draws or anything to keep defenses honest. Etc.
This is so true.
As for the D-Unit...
3/4 of the front are 1st rounders...2/3 of the LBs are Free Agent "impact" players....1/2 of the Dbacks are 1st rounders and the best one wasn't. Those that are saying they don't draft defense are stupid. They just don't draft defense well.This post was edited on 9/17/12 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 9/17/12 at 1:56 pm to eyeran
quote:I was commenting during the came how completely static and unimaginative the run game is. We don't do anything to keep the D off-balance.
We're really predictable right now. Ingram in the game = run up the gut. Sproles, zero carries so far so teams dont have to play the run with him in. Almost no passes from under center, they're all coming from shotgun, and we're not offsetting that by running any draws or anything to keep defenses honest. Etc...
They did run the ball better yesterday, but aside from Ingram's first quarter burst it was all PT.
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