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re: Is the media going overboard on this Nick Foles' magic s***?
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:30 am to LSUFreek
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:30 am to LSUFreek
quote:
Their offense is somehow better with Foles at helm than when the technically more talented Wentz
That's a short-sighted view the media loves to run with. Wentz didn't have a Tate that knew the playbook, and had not had a chance to develop a report with him by the time he was injured. And, they had been bring the rookie TE along very slowly at the beginning of the season, he was just starting to get more involved in the offense when Wentz went down. So, in essence they gave Foles 2 extra weapons that Wentz didn't have.
About the magic last year, that team was rolling on both sides of the ball with Wentz before he got injured. I can only imagine how bad they would have dominated the playoffs last year with Wentz; then again they wouldn't be able to play the underdog role.
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:40 am to hsfolk
quote:Yeah I'm not sure how Schrager can fit Foles' cock in his mouth when Mahomes' is already in there but he does it somehow.
listening to NFL Network, yes quite a few are acting like Foles is the second coming
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:47 am to King George
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This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:57 am to Weekend Warrior79
quote:This is really good insight.
That's a short-sighted view the media loves to run with. Wentz didn't have a Tate that knew the playbook, and had not had a chance to develop a report with him by the time he was injured. And, they had been bring the rookie TE along very slowly at the beginning of the season, he was just starting to get more involved in the offense when Wentz went down. So, in essence they gave Foles 2 extra weapons that Wentz didn't have.
About the magic last year, that team was rolling on both sides of the ball with Wentz before he got injured. I can only imagine how bad they would have dominated the playoffs last year with Wentz; then again they wouldn't be able to play the underdog role.
Only thing I'll add, though, is that Wentz has not looked the same this year as he did last year. Not sure if it is lack of confidence being out for so long, playing tentative because of his injury recovery, or what. But, it was obvious when watching him. Foles has the newer weapons you mentioned, but he also is a calming influence to the team.
That said, dey bout to get rocked.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:59 am to King George
Maurice Jones-Drew is the same way, but I think he just hates the Saints
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:16 am to clamdip
quote:
Not sure if it is lack of confidence being out for so long, playing tentative because of his injury recovery
Good point, I don't think he was fully recovered. If you really think about it, he returned after just 9 months from the injury. Not everyone is the freak AP is and can return to top form this soon.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:36 am to hsfolk
quote:
Nick Foles' magic
It has nothing one a gris gris.
Oh & frick the media
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:46 am to clamdip
quote:
Not sure if it is lack of confidence being out for so long, playing tentative because of his injury recovery, or what. But, it was obvious when watching him.
I think it's that but also the fact that Wentz didn't participate in mini camp & he was a very limited participant in training camp. He is still a young QB. Missing those reps & not being able to replicate the chemistry with his receivers probably set him back somewhat. On the otherhand, Foles is a veteran who got those reps & that timing instead.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:51 am to clamdip
quote:
They've added Golden Tate, fyi. That's a big help to them compared to last go-round.
They had Tate last time. The game was like week 11 and Tate had been there for a few weeks.
He actually had his second best game with the Eagles against us (5 for 48, almost identical to his Chi numbers), but has yet to hit 100 yards with them (85 yards being his high).
He had better production in less games in Det.
That's why I said he isn't a serious weapon. Yes he'll get some balls but he isn't a guy like Ertz that you game plan around.
Ertz is literally the only guy they have that can crush us, but we are strong in that area and as long as we bracket him he won't go off.
Philly's offense is not scary, not even with "Foles magic".
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 11:52 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:01 pm to msstate7
quote:
We faced a much better QB with much better WRs a couple weeks ago and won. You think anyone would actually take foles over brees?
This is why I'm not too concerned about the Eagles or anyone else in the NFC. Ben Roethlisberger is a way better QB than Goff, Foles, or Dak. Antonio Brown and Juju Smith Schuster are probably the best WR combo in the NFL, if not then at least top 3. Steelers are talented enough to whip anyone's arse and the Saints handled it just fine.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:04 pm to bonethug0180
quote:
They had Tate last time. The game was like week 11 and Tate had been there for a few weeks.
Our game was Tate’s second game as an Eagle.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:11 pm to Weekend Warrior79
Wentz:
11 games
3,074 yards (279.5 per game)
21 TDs (1.9 per game)
7 INTs (0.6 per game)
69.6% comp rate
102.2 QB rating
Foles:
6 games
1,679 yards (279.8 per game)
9 TDs (1.5 per game)
6 INTs (1 per game)
70.6% comp rate
96 QB rating regular season; 77.7 QB rating post season (not sure how to figure it out together)
They have near identical stats except for TDs and INTs per game, with Foles being worse by almost half of each per game (which is significant).
Anyone who thought Wentz was playing poorly and Foles is lighting it up is out of their fricking mind. Truth is they have both played pretty well, but Wentz faced much tougher passing defenses.
Just for reference Wentz's last game was @ Dal and he went for:
228 yards
3 TDs
0 INTs
69% comp rate
120.3 QB rating (his second best of the year)
He had one of his best games against one of the toughest defenses in the league before Philly shut him down.
Meanwhile, as I posted, Foles has faced mostly pourous passing defenses (only Chi above 14), and when he faced Atl when they were healthy the first game of the year he shite the bed BADLY (50.7 QB rating).
We'll play they game, but people are crazy if they think Philly has a shot because Foles is magic.
11 games
3,074 yards (279.5 per game)
21 TDs (1.9 per game)
7 INTs (0.6 per game)
69.6% comp rate
102.2 QB rating
Foles:
6 games
1,679 yards (279.8 per game)
9 TDs (1.5 per game)
6 INTs (1 per game)
70.6% comp rate
96 QB rating regular season; 77.7 QB rating post season (not sure how to figure it out together)
They have near identical stats except for TDs and INTs per game, with Foles being worse by almost half of each per game (which is significant).
Anyone who thought Wentz was playing poorly and Foles is lighting it up is out of their fricking mind. Truth is they have both played pretty well, but Wentz faced much tougher passing defenses.
Just for reference Wentz's last game was @ Dal and he went for:
228 yards
3 TDs
0 INTs
69% comp rate
120.3 QB rating (his second best of the year)
He had one of his best games against one of the toughest defenses in the league before Philly shut him down.
Meanwhile, as I posted, Foles has faced mostly pourous passing defenses (only Chi above 14), and when he faced Atl when they were healthy the first game of the year he shite the bed BADLY (50.7 QB rating).
We'll play they game, but people are crazy if they think Philly has a shot because Foles is magic.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:13 pm to 3HourTour
quote:
Our game was Tate’s second game as an Eagle.
Second game played but he had been there for a month at that point.
And like I said he had better stats in less games in Det, and has yet to have a game over 85 yards with Philly depsite facing some very poor passing defenses.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:58 pm to clamdip
And we have Ginn back for this game
Posted on 1/9/19 at 2:47 pm to Weekend Warrior79
What I think is funny is how the media keeps throwing this narrative that both last year and this year with Foles at the helm, Peterson has really dumbed down the playbook. Like cut it in half.
Now some of that could be throws that they do not feel like Foles can make consistently like Deep outs to the wide side of the field.
One has to ask the question was Peterson content on losing calling plays for Wentz they may have been too complicated. If I have 2 backup OL players in the game then I am not going to call a lot of deep routes that take time to develop.
I have seen offensive coaches that could run the ball for 4+ yards a carry get bored and have to throw or try some trick play to prove how smart they are.
Payton does this sometimes with Hill at QB. Brees can drive us from our 10 to the opponents' 30 yard line and have a 1st and 10 and Payton will run Hill out there for a carry that may yield 3-4 yards.
Is he expecting him to walk in from the 30?
Now some of that could be throws that they do not feel like Foles can make consistently like Deep outs to the wide side of the field.
One has to ask the question was Peterson content on losing calling plays for Wentz they may have been too complicated. If I have 2 backup OL players in the game then I am not going to call a lot of deep routes that take time to develop.
I have seen offensive coaches that could run the ball for 4+ yards a carry get bored and have to throw or try some trick play to prove how smart they are.
Payton does this sometimes with Hill at QB. Brees can drive us from our 10 to the opponents' 30 yard line and have a 1st and 10 and Payton will run Hill out there for a carry that may yield 3-4 yards.
Is he expecting him to walk in from the 30?
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