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re: Is it just me or have we had plenty of minority coaches in the NFL over the last few years
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:08 pm to thenza
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:08 pm to thenza
If Mike Tomlin didn’t have Art Rooney as owner , he would have already been fired. Let’s see what he does without Big Ben. If he keeps winning then we know he is a great coach
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Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:41 pm to Tesla
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Cultures that do not value academic achievement are the only discriminators in evaluating academic performance. Period. That’s why Americans as a entire entity trail other countries in literacy, math and science skills.
I value academic achievement. I am all for funding public education and elevating the population? The other cultures you mentioned spend an enormous amount of money on collective public education, particularly math and science?
We should tax everyone an additional 10% to fund these programs like other counties do.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:46 pm to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
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When they get rid of that foolishness, then you'll have no reason to interview a guy because of the color of his skin.
And how are they going to do that. At the end of the day the owner is the one with the $4B franchise and has to feel comfortable with whom he hires. Nobody sets out to hire a loser.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:52 pm to tigerterrace
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Nobody sets out to hire a loser.
And yet they continue to hire the same guys over and over after getting fired for losing because they "hired someone the feel comfortable with".
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And how are they going to do that.
Here's a crazy idea, step out of your comfort zone, and hired the best guy for the job... but to do that you gotta interview guys with an open mind, and not have "your guy" already picked like they've always done.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 1:01 pm to WaltWhite504
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5 were black -11% of hires (Bowles, Jackman, Lynn, Joseph, Flores) with an average 1-2yr tenure.
Wrong. You left out Caldwell, Culley, and Wilks. So it’s eight, which that averages out to probably more than what the percentage of the black population is.
And there’s plenty of examples of white coaches being fired after one or two years.
Hell the Browns coach was fired after one year and he had more wins than Hue Jackson did in three years. Does that sound fair?
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 2/4/22 at 1:03 pm to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
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And yet they continue to hire the same guys over and over
I’ve made similar comments, but you have to admit the league has done a better job of getting some new blood in the past few years. Only retreads I’ve seen in the past few years are Peterson, Arians, Rivera & McCarthy. I may have glanced over someone, but there are a lot of new faces in just the last 5 years
Went 5 years back bc between 2018-2022 24 of 32 teams will have hired at least 1 new coach
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 2/4/22 at 1:07 pm to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
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I know that Joe was NOT qualified,and his firing as well as demotion speak to that fact. We have seen E run the offense without Brady, and we saw Brady's offense fail miserably leading to him getting fired, doesn't take a huge leap of faith to see who contributed mostly to that season (actually it was Burrow).
Yiu really don’t know anything about football if you think 2019 offense was because of E and not Brady. It looked completely different before he was there and completely different after he left. Burrow was there in 2018 and was like the 8th rated qb in the SEC going into that record breaking year….
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 2/4/22 at 1:12 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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I may have glanced over someone
Yeah I'm sure in a few days you'll be adding our very own Dennis Allen to that list.
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you have to admit the league has done a better job of getting some new blood in the past few years.
Yes they have, but the question is how many minority candidates were passed over throughout these hires, because the owners/GMs already had "their guy" picked before the interviews even started?
And this is with acknowledging some of the new guys have been great hires, the process is still flawed.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 1:17 pm to cbree88
We need to quit measuring them by won/loss records because that is racist. The NFL needs to ensure that once hired, they can never be hired and if they leave, the position must be filled by another minority. A team with a minority coach will always qualify for the playoffs, not the team with the better record if that team has a white coach. Let’s get off of this racist standard of success and embrace mediocrity!
Posted on 2/4/22 at 2:23 pm to Townedrunkard
David Culley is Lebanese - racist - you just lump anyone not white into the category "Black"?
Posted on 2/4/22 at 3:33 pm to WaltWhite504
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David Culley is Lebanese - racist - you just lump anyone not white into the category "Black"?
It’s what the media does right? Just doing what they do. You just pissed because you couldn’t even argue your point earlier by getting simple facts right by counting….
Fact is he’s a non white minority hire which is what yiu are arguing or he doesn’t count cus he ain’t ‘black’? And you can add Rivera to that list. Funny how other minorities mean nothing to black people.
And there you go, first person calling someone a racist is usually the biggest racist in the room, so own it…..
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 2/4/22 at 3:36 pm to WaltWhite504
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I value academic achievement. I am all for funding public education and elevating the population? The other cultures you mentioned spend an enormous amount of money on collective public education, particularly math and science? We should tax everyone an additional 10% to fund these programs like other counties do.
The problem isn’t spending, it’s demanding performance, at school and more importantly at home.
From the Guardian UK
US spent $16,268 a student per year compared to the OECD average of $10,759.
US trailed the OECD average country in Math by .67 years.
The problem is at home but nobody wants to admit it.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 4:14 pm to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
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I never said he was hired because he was white, he was an unqualified hire, because of who he knew.
Nah, I think they legitimately thought he could bring those offenses with him.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 9:09 pm to WaltWhite504
Also forgot about two more, lovie smith and Crennel which were hired in the last decade. So about double the amount that you originally said. The actual percentage hired is higher than the actual percentage of the black population in the US…
And apparently Wiki also thinks Culley is of African descent.
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And apparently Wiki also thinks Culley is of African descent.
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David Culley’s ethnicity is believed to be African American. In addition, David was born to Lebanese parents in Michigan, the US. However, there are not enough details regarding his ethnicity. Probably, his forefathers were of African descent. Some source claims Culley belongs to African descent.
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 2/5/22 at 12:56 am to MLU
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It will be enough when people no longer ask dumb questions like this...
But let’s set mandates to hire minority coaches lol
Posted on 2/5/22 at 4:30 am to Mr. Hangover
Does the supreme court count?
Posted on 2/13/22 at 7:55 am to TackySweater
There's no mandate to hire minority coaches nor is there talk of one. There is a mandate to INTERVIEW minority coaches.
Nothing wrong with pushing people outside of their comfort zone. It's good for NFL teams because they consider people they might not have considered before and it's good for candidates because they learn from the experience. There's literally no downside to it.
Nothing wrong with pushing people outside of their comfort zone. It's good for NFL teams because they consider people they might not have considered before and it's good for candidates because they learn from the experience. There's literally no downside to it.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 8:14 am to Proximo
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You don’t think race has anything to do with the Saints’ search? With the country, NFL, Rooney rule, ESPN all watching?
The Saints?
We were coming off 5 straight winning seasons. Made sense to hire someone who was already in the building.
Posted on 2/13/22 at 8:40 am to keakar
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when you only have a job because of your skin color then its not because you are good at your job or any incentive to be better at your job
Why doesn’t this apply to guys who got jobs because their dad or father in law was a coach?
Posted on 2/13/22 at 11:22 am to keakar
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when you only have a job because of your skin color then its not because you are good at your job or any incentive to be better at your job
Now do the stats for all the white coaches that get fired over and over again and yet rehired.
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