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re: Is anyone else put off by Drew's disappointed, sad guy bit?
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:25 am to AstonM19
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:25 am to AstonM19
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frick DREW BREES, yea i said it. after seeing how he's been nothing but a bitch about everything, frick him. If you want the $23 mill/year...then stop losing to sub par teams(yes, i put the saints above the 69ers and the seagulls). you want that $23 mill drew? then stop bitching and get another SB and you will get what you want. THis business is "what hve you done for me lately" and drew hasn't done anything.
wait. is that supposed to be bait?
the 49ers weren't a sub par team either you fricking dumbass
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:30 am to AstonM19
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THis business is "what hve you done for me lately" and drew hasn't done anything.
So taking a team with a below average defense to the playoffs 3 straight years, winning a Super Bowl, and leading the top offense in the league is nothing? Yeah, you really are fishing.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:36 am to sicboy
Every player should get a base pay that is based on years in the league and position you play. Then everything else is performance based. You get bonuses for workouts, ota's, camp, games played, yards, tds, wins etc.
Then you would have all these pussies that sit out because their butt cheek is bruised suiting up and playing their arses off.
I know as most of america does that when your paycheck is on the line you get your arse up and go to work.
Then you would have all these pussies that sit out because their butt cheek is bruised suiting up and playing their arses off.
I know as most of america does that when your paycheck is on the line you get your arse up and go to work.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:37 am to AstonM19
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frick DREW BREES, yea i said it. after seeing how he's been nothing but a bitch about everything, frick him.
If you want the $23 mill/year...then stop losing to sub par teams(yes, i put the saints above the 69ers and the seagulls). you want that $23 mill drew? then stop bitching and get another SB and you will get what you want. THis business is "what hve you done for me lately" and drew hasn't done anything.
Take away Brees and this franchise goes back to the Paper Bag era, guaranteed.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:38 am to JasonL79
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Football players are voluntarily working (where they can get injured) in the NFL because of the high pay outs. Without the huge pay, most players would not be playing. You are right. I can't compare it to my job but they know there are risks of getting hurt. If they can't play football because of a knee injury or something else, they can still go get a job doing something else to earn money. And disability does not equal the same thing. If they suffer a career ending injury they will never be able to play again because they can't perform. Unless you are paralyzed or some freak accident in the real world you can always perform in some capacity and still do your job thus earn your money. Say a CEO (makes 5mil a year)of a huge construction company suffers an injury on a construction site. Unless it is extremely bad he can still perform his job and earn his money. If a starting quarterback getting paid 20 million a year suffers an injury and can't play again, how is he earning his money? He can still do other things to earn his money besides the NFL. They know it's the price of playing in the NFL and getting huge paychecks. I'm sure NFL players have insurance policies for career ending injuries if they are smart.
You are totally missing the point. Drew Brees is one of, if not the best at what he does. This job only has 32 openings, and over half of them suck at it anyways. In an effort to sign him, teams are willing to take the risk of a guaranteed contract. They figure he will being in more money than he takes out, and its worth the risk.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:41 am to lsufanguy
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lsufanguy
Laugh my fricking arse off.
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Every player should get a base pay that is based on years in the league and position you play. Then everything else is performance based. You get bonuses for workouts, ota's, camp, games played, yards, tds, wins etc.
So, you think every single cashier at Walmart is being paid the same?
Nothing screams AMERICA! like not letting the market chose its price. If anything, these players are massively underpaid, and its only because of the salary cap that Brady/Peyton/Brees are making 23~ a year.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:44 am to Jcorye1
didn't say every player across the board makes the same. I am saying make it more performance based. every player makes a descent paycheck. but drew brees would get payed good because of performance. jamarcus russell.....not so much
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:46 am to Jcorye1
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You are totally missing the point. Drew Brees is one of, if not the best at what he does. This job only has 32 openings, and over half of them suck at it anyways. In an effort to sign him, teams are willing to take the risk of a guaranteed contract. They figure he will being in more money than he takes out, and its worth the risk.
I just wish we had a better idea on what he is asking for. I hope he signs for sure and it will be interesting to see the final numbers and where they are at.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:47 am to lsufanguy
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didn't say every player across the board makes the same. I am saying make it more performance based. every player makes a descent paycheck. but drew brees would get payed good because of performance. jamarcus russell.....not so much
So, you want the owners who only take financial risk to lesson their risk, while the players who put their bodies on the line and are the only reason the NFL is a successful as it is to increase their monetary risk?
That makes sense.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:50 am to AstonM19
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frick DREW BREES, yea i said it. after seeing how he's been nothing but a bitch about everything, frick him. If you want the $23 mill/year...then stop losing to sub par teams(yes, i put the saints above the 69ers and the seagulls). you want that $23 mill drew? then stop bitching and get another SB and you will get what you want. THis business is "what hve you done for me lately" and drew hasn't done anything.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:50 am to LSUdm21
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quote:If we wouldn't have gotten Brees, maybe Tony Romo would have gotten us to the superbowl. Sean Payton did coach with Romo. Or maybe Farve...
Glad you liked my joke.
I know he is the biggest factor on the team but I doubt we would be back to the paper bag days like some are saying. We haven't been back to those days since the early 80's. We were good/desent in the late 80's and middle of the pack from the 90's on until Brees and Payton got here.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:51 am to LakeViewLSU
quote:For Drew Brees, the only thing that separates $20M vs. $23M is ego...and greed.
Neither Drew Brees, his agent, nor the Saints are angels as some people think.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:52 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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For Drew Brees, the only thing that separates $20M vs. $23M is ego...and greed.
And the NFLPA excommunication he would get.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:55 am to Jcorye1
quote:Sigworthy, and perhaps one of the stupidest things that has ever been said on these boards.
If anything, these players are massively underpaid
You seriously think most of America, which is underpaid (or not working at all) and barely making ends meet gives a flying frick whether Drew Brees can pocket $20 mill vs. $23 mill? Like we are supposed to be sorry for him and be all "free market" and that makes us socialists? Go join the tea party. Give me a frickin' break. 
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:56 am to Jcorye1
quote:Unions need to be checked...and I'm no douchebag republican conservative either.
And the NFLPA excommunication he would get.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:57 am to Jcorye1
Pretty much. Look I am not bitching about the way the system works. It works and has been working. But everyone here would most likely agree that Bush was outplayed by PT23. What I am saying is lets say RB's made a base salary of $1mil per year (across the board - as Wal-Mart cashiers would have a bottom pay of minimum wage). Then if everything was performanced base then PT23 would have out earned Bush.
I am not saying the owners can get away with a base pay of $100g. I think they could make all players have a nice base pay and then make the rest performance based. They could keep the cap and have to pay out so much money per year for the performances.
Look I work in sales. Right now I am on commission. But at a place I worked at before they had you on salary and at the end of the year they took the total of profit and divided it amongst the employees based on their performance. Worked okay for us.
I am not saying the owners can get away with a base pay of $100g. I think they could make all players have a nice base pay and then make the rest performance based. They could keep the cap and have to pay out so much money per year for the performances.
Look I work in sales. Right now I am on commission. But at a place I worked at before they had you on salary and at the end of the year they took the total of profit and divided it amongst the employees based on their performance. Worked okay for us.
This post was edited on 5/17/12 at 11:01 am
Posted on 5/17/12 at 11:02 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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You seriously think most of America, which is underpaid (or not working at all) and barely making ends meet gives a flying frick whether Drew Brees can pocket $20 mill vs. $23 mill? Like we are supposed to be sorry for him and be all "free market" and that makes us socialists? Go join the tea party. Give me a frickin' break.
frick the tea parties, and what I said wasn't wrong, in an uncapped system, he's making at least 30 million a year.
There's an easy solution, stop watching the NFL. If you stop watching, people stop getting paid because revenue streams dry up. By watching the games, they are endorsing these players being paid so much.
I personally couldn't give two shits if Joe Blow feels he isn't making enough money, therefore projects his feelings on others in the market place. It just sounds whiny and bitchy to say "Its ONLY three million dollars a year" when most people won't make that in a life time.
Its hilarious how fast some of you will turn on the savior of your franchise. Drew Brees could have been a dick 2-3 years ago and demanded a bigger contract, and most NFL fans would not have held it against him. He has been a top tier QB in the league for at LEAST 5 years. Its a shame that a team he has never played for would instantly pay him what he wants if he hits the open market, yet the organization he resurrected won't even converse with him.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 11:04 am to Jcorye1
you are absolutely right another team would pay more for him. But what I don't want is the Saints to over pay and then him get hurt and the 2012 Saints be the 2011 Colts. When you pay that kind of money you have to be cap smart which is what I believe Loomis is and always has been doing.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 11:06 am to lsufanguy
It wouldn't work though. First you'd have to figure out what stats matter, and what stats don't. Is catching a touchdown when you're down by 30 equal a touchdown catch to win a game in OT? Is a RB with a shitty o-line going to be treated differently then someone running in a Shanahan system? Will scat backs be paid per reception?
Posted on 5/17/12 at 11:07 am to Jcorye1
What you say is true and I don't want to have a personal fight for you, it's just makes me sick with some of these greedy players, "whining" as you say about a couple of million dollars that they can't even spend anyway, because they want to be 'the highest plaid player'.
Most people don't even see that in their lifetimes, so to be surprised or put off by the fans not having empathy for them when they don't "get their money" is the height of hypocrisy.
I love Drew Brees and everything he has done for the team, and you are correct he is a great player and yes I want to keep him around, but I ain't feelin' sorry for his arse because he can't get the extra millions he wants.
if he's such a great frickin' guy, just sign the goddam contract and play football. He can count his millions after he retires.
Most people don't even see that in their lifetimes, so to be surprised or put off by the fans not having empathy for them when they don't "get their money" is the height of hypocrisy.
I love Drew Brees and everything he has done for the team, and you are correct he is a great player and yes I want to keep him around, but I ain't feelin' sorry for his arse because he can't get the extra millions he wants.
if he's such a great frickin' guy, just sign the goddam contract and play football. He can count his millions after he retires.
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