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re: Immediate Future Draft Picks

Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:54 am to
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
15203 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:54 am to
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The Sullivan trade was bad, no doubt. But it did not have the effect that the Ricky trade did, even with the return you noted when we traded him to Miami.


The main part of the trade was the two firsts we gave up for Ricky. We got them back and got to lease him for a few years. 85% of those lower picks don’t make the roster or don’t have a major impact.

Sullivan and Davenport trade (if he walks after this year) are way worse.
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 10:55 am
Posted by SouthMSReb
Member since Dec 2013
4769 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:57 am to
There was just no reason to move into the first last year when it's obvious you're in need of a Franchise QB. Last year was a trash year for QBs so who in their right mind would trade a future pick to get back into a shite draft?
Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
28614 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 11:01 am to
LINK

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From the Saints, the Eagles will receive:

• The 18th overall pick in the 2022 NFL Draft

• A third-round draft pick from New Orleans, the 101st overall selection in 2022

• A seventh-round pick from the Saints, the 237th overall selection in 2022

• A first-round pick from New Orleans in the 2023 NFL Draft

• A second-round pick from New Orleans in the 2024 NFL Draft





We gave them a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 7th for their 1st. That's 2 picks from being an entire draft.



quote:

can we stop with the “trading our entire future” rhetoric



Sure, we didn't trade away our ENTIRE future, but we did give away a significant chunk of it. We did all of that so we could trade even more to grab a QB... oh wait, a WR. That's a lot to give up for a WR. Those trades should only be for QB.
Posted by Seen
Member since Aug 2022
1127 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:13 pm to
It all sucks don't get me wrong. If Olave and Penning both turn out to be great players in the future for the next 10 plus years than it was worth it. We need to hope BOTH pan out. We'll probably trade our two 5ths, a 2024 pick and move up high into the 2nd round.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
32409 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:32 pm to
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The main part of the trade was the two firsts we gave up for Ricky. We got them back and got to lease him for a few years. 85% of those lower picks don’t make the roster or don’t have a major impact.



Eh...idk about that. The ricky williams trade (aside from the 3rd rounds) were literally 12 + 2 to take Ricky Williams 5th overall.

Yes you got back, 25 and 18, but you essentially traded

12 + 2 for 25 + 18
- that 2nd overall was in a draft of 14 pro bowlers
Posted by Mister Flawless
Tuscaloosa
Member since Jul 2011
403 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 2:20 pm to
quote:


quote:
From the Saints, the Eagles will receive:

• The 18th overall pick in the 2022 NFL Draft

• A third-round draft pick from New Orleans, the 101st overall selection in 2022

• A seventh-round pick from the Saints, the 237th overall selection in 2022

• A first-round pick from New Orleans in the 2023 NFL Draft

• A second-round pick from New Orleans in the 2024 NFL Draft






We gave them a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 7th for their 1st. That's 2 picks from being an entire draft.



You gave up multiple picks spread out over three drafts. You cannot say that's one entire draft class.

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Sure, we didn't trade away our ENTIRE future, but we did give away a significant chunk of it. We did all of that so we could trade even more to grab a QB... oh wait, a WR. That's a lot to give up for a WR. Those trades should only be for QB.


Again, I agree with you. We gave up a lot for Olave. The immediate return has been good but now injuries are a problem. Still, he wasn't worth that haul. My main issue with this discussion is saying we gave up our future, when you really look at it, we gave up a couple early round picks that you hope are slotted for later in the rounds.

It pails in comparison with the Ricky Williams 1999 trade. And to be clear, each trade is independent of one another, so trying to lump in the return trade to Miami has no standing since we traded him cause he wanted out of New Orleans and we drafted Deuce in 2002.

I'm comparing one trade that is immediately considered to be used as an all-in push with one that arguably was also an all-in push (and a very dumb one at that). It was a horrible trade that had ramifications for two full years, despite a division crown and playoff win in 2000. Yes, every pick probably wasn't going to be on the roster in 1999, but having no other rookies on cheap deals hurt us for two years since we couldn't build a core of players, and we didn't really recover until arguably Payton came to town in terms of cap space and roster management.

Yes, you botched the picks from the 2003 Ricky deal by using one to trade for Sullivan. And you gave up a lot for Olave, but neither of those trades have the lasting effects the 1999 trade did, and I stand by that argument.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13944 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 2:55 pm to
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Honestly, we can blame all of this on Jameis. The front office thought they had their guy and sacrificed some of the future to go after it this year. On paper, the defense should’ve been just as good as last year or maybe better. Then you add an all-pro receiver coming off of injury, a top rookie wide receiver and a vet pro bowl receiver. On paper this team is a legit contender. They are missing one huge piece. A Qb


Did they really think they had their guy? If so, why go so hard after Watson and Wilson while no one even tried to sign Jameis? Why did they sign Jameis basically to a prove it deal if he they thought that? Loomis should have known there was a likelihood that he could be looking for a QB again very soon and as a result, not overpaid to get a mid 1st rounder in a below average draft.
Posted by Pesadelo_Triangulo
Irving, TX.
Member since Jul 2018
75 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:10 pm to
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Honestly, we can blame all of this on Jameis. The front office thought they had their guy and sacrificed some of the future to go after it this year. On paper, the defense should’ve been just as good as last year or maybe better. Then you add an all-pro receiver coming off of injury, a top rookie wide receiver and a vet pro bowl receiver. On paper this team is a legit contender. They are missing one huge piece. A Qb


And a decent Oline that can pass block and pick up blitzes adequately.....Funny how QB play is affected by that
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
77196 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:33 pm to
1b is a kicker in rd 1.
Lol
Posted by HangmanPage1
Wild West
Member since Aug 2021
2282 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:58 pm to
Saints still haven’t gotten Penning on the field and I think he will be an All-Pro lineman type of player. Honestly saints need to be trading for other teams medical departments, cause ours stink. It goes past just bad luck to their has to be some incompetence on the athletic training staff.
Posted by Mike Honcho
North Dallas
Member since Oct 2007
2970 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:26 pm to
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At the moment, we have no idea what that pick will be but at the moment it is a Top 5 pick.


Why do people keep saying this shite?
There are 4 teams with worse records but there are 7 teams with the same record. Based on what ESPN says considering all the tie breakers our pick is 11. Still sucks that Philly would get it but it’s not top 5.
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