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re: I'm just catching up with today's news... mid to late first rounder for SP? F that noise.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:28 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:28 am to SlowFlowPro
We will all be upset when the trade is more about money and not draft picks. It will be for something like a ‘23 2nd rounder, a ‘24 1st and conditional 3rd/4th rounder and $14M over two years.
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Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:37 am to SippyCup
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I'd let Sean waste away for another 2 years.
Same here. He doesn’t get to dictate the compensation. I’d let him sit out of spite.
You people are worse than women
All the talk of expecting a huge haul ala the Gruden trade was always nonsense. The Saints knew this, everyone with a brain knew this
Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:40 am to tunechi
i am likely in the minority - but i view it as a good thing that SP did it the way he did. if he was fired or just ran our his contract, we would get nothing - but in this regard we get something out of it.
kind of a backhanded way or getting a free Pick, but ill take it.
kind of a backhanded way or getting a free Pick, but ill take it.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:43 am to St Augustine
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He was out of the league just like Payton and we’re getting a VASTLY more valuable asset than Arizona got.
way different situation. arians retired with one year on his contract and came back to coaching two years later. the nfl gave tampa the green light to hire him with no compensation to arizona. arizona then said they thought they still owned his rights and then the bucs and arizona agreed to the trade for his rights to not have a legal battle over if arians was free to sign or not.
payton is still under contract for us... period.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:46 am to Suntiger
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It will be for something like a ‘23 2nd rounder, a ‘24 1st and conditional 3rd/4th rounder and $14M over two years.
This would be a great deal, especially if the team was Arizona (missing their QB next year) or Houston (bad roster, gonna take a few years). That 24 1st could end up pretty high. That + our pick could probably buy us a top 5 spot.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:48 am to beauchristopher
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Yup. At least sit yet another year. He has what, 2-3 more to go?
Might even be better to do it the following season.
Wtf
Be better to do it when he has less years remaining on his contract? You people are wild
Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:54 am to tunechi
The new team will sign him to a new contract so his remaining terms from the Saints doesnt mean much.
I dont get how its laughable to expect a good deal coming back for trading him. A super bowl winning coach that didnt flame out is rare to have on the market and is only less valuable than a franchise QB. Im not saying the Cards trade the number 3 pick but that doesnt mean Loomis should not push for it. They have their franchise qb and in grand scheme of things, whats more valuable, a edge guy or Payton molding their QB who's had issues?
I dont get how its laughable to expect a good deal coming back for trading him. A super bowl winning coach that didnt flame out is rare to have on the market and is only less valuable than a franchise QB. Im not saying the Cards trade the number 3 pick but that doesnt mean Loomis should not push for it. They have their franchise qb and in grand scheme of things, whats more valuable, a edge guy or Payton molding their QB who's had issues?
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:06 am to Reeaholic
other trades
parcells to the jets from patriots
1st,2nd,3rd, and 4th. jets were trying to pull some bs and hire parcells and let him be hc but not by title. nfl stepped in and brokered the deal
holmgren - 2nd round pick
belichick - 1st, 4th, and 5th
gruden - 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd + 8 mil
herm edwards - 4th round pick
arians like I explained earlier cant really be compared to the others because of the situation.
I think you have to be looking for similar compensation as what was recieved for belichick, parcells, and gruden. Obviously belichick is the greatest coach in nfl history but at the time he hadnt accomplished what payton has. same for gruden.
parcells to the jets from patriots
1st,2nd,3rd, and 4th. jets were trying to pull some bs and hire parcells and let him be hc but not by title. nfl stepped in and brokered the deal
holmgren - 2nd round pick
belichick - 1st, 4th, and 5th
gruden - 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd + 8 mil
herm edwards - 4th round pick
arians like I explained earlier cant really be compared to the others because of the situation.
I think you have to be looking for similar compensation as what was recieved for belichick, parcells, and gruden. Obviously belichick is the greatest coach in nfl history but at the time he hadnt accomplished what payton has. same for gruden.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 10:09 am
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:33 am to Suntiger
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We will all be upset when the trade is more about money and not draft picks. It will be for something like a ‘23 2nd rounder, a ‘24 1st and conditional 3rd/4th rounder
Give me that all day, preferably from Arizona or Texans, but Texans would most likely offer Browns 24 1st and not their own
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 10:37 am
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:50 am to Reeaholic
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I dont get how its laughable to expect a good deal coming back for trading him.
Most rational people believe that there will be a good deal made. It's laughable to think that the Saints can just demand whatever they want and say tough shite if they don't get it.
Gruden was an outlier almost 20 years ago.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:54 am to diat150
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way different situation. arians retired with one year on his contract and came back to coaching two years later. the nfl gave tampa the green light to hire him with no compensation to arizona. arizona then said they thought they still owned his rights and then the bucs and arizona agreed to the trade for his rights to not have a legal battle over if arians was free to sign or not. payton is still under contract for us... period.
And we’re getting a first rounder for him while Arizona got a 6th which is a massive difference in value.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 10:57 am
Posted on 1/17/23 at 10:59 am to diat150
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I think you have to be looking for similar compensation as what was recieved for belichick, parcells, and gruden. Obviously belichick is the greatest coach in nfl history but at the time he hadnt accomplished what payton has. same for gruden.
Those trades happened prior to the rookie wage scale adjustment. First round picks are more valuable now. This isn’t that complicated.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:06 am to drizztiger
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If we agree to this, then we need new management. I'd let Sean waste away for another 2 years.
You'd turn down a first rounder and get nothing in return? Talk about stupid.
Some of us that are level headed have been saying yall need to be realistic since he left.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 11:08 am
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:09 am to St Augustine
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And we’re getting a first rounder for him while Arizona got a 6th which is a massive difference in value.
again, the situation isnt comparable. the nfl told the bucs they were free to sign him with no compensation needed to the cards.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:11 am to Rand AlThor
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Those trades happened prior to the rookie wage scale adjustment. First round picks are more valuable now. This isn’t that complicated.
perhaps coaches got more valuable also. we have a coach that you want...how bad do you want him?
I guess we should call up the chiefs and see about sending andy reid over for a 2nd round pick.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:23 am to diat150
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we have a coach that you want...how bad do you want him?
I guess we should call up the chiefs and see about sending andy reid over for a 2nd round pick.
This isn't even remotely close to apples to apples. If the Chiefs were to put Andy Reid on the market for some crazy reason, if they didn't get their asking price for him they could just move on with him and likely have 12-14 games again like they've done every year for like the last half decade.
If the Saints don't get their asking price he goes back home and they get nothing. This is more like the CJJ trade. He's going to be somewhere next year, it's just a matter of where and how much will be offered. And just like the CJJ trade, if the market dictates Payton's value is less than you think it to be, then he's going to be traded for less than you think he's worth.
and honestly, whatever the market dictates is what he is worth, not what you think he's worth.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:25 am to CP3forMVP
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and honestly, whatever the market dictates is what he is worth, not what you think he's worth.
Crazy that
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:32 am to CP3forMVP
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and honestly, whatever the market dictates is what he is worth, not what you think he's worth.
ok then it is settled.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:34 am to diat150
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and honestly, whatever the market dictates is what he is worth, not what you think he's worth.
ok then it is settled.
Pretty much
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:37 am to SippyCup
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Same here. He doesn’t get to dictate the compensation. I’d let him sit out of spite.
then we get nothing and he still gets to coach anyway.
Him sitting doesn't hurt him at all, in two years he will still be a valuable commodity.
It would frick us tho.
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