re: I am not particularly ecstatic about how this whole QB situation has played out

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way back to the receiver core.

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moron

CORPS not CORE

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you think maybe its because Sean realizes it makes little sense to completely design your offense around such an extremely limited QB?

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Having a mobile qb and using him in such ways only helps doesn't limit your offense. It only opens it up. Taysom is far from a limited qb.

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. Taysom is far from a limited qb.

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except when it comes to throwing, reading a defense, going through progressions, pocket awareness...just general things an NFL QB should above average at.

If your right Payton needs to go.
I don't get why you are not leading the sky screaming to the heavens right now.
He's had Taysom for years now and is too stupid to see what he has and how to use him.
I'm serious. If he is this dumb on what is supposed to be his strength how bad has he done in other areas?

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You can see moments where he had opportunities to escape but appears to have orders not to. Then the said lack of success is now the detriment to him losing a starting opportunity.

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WTF is wrong with you? Have you been living under a rock? Taysom has repeatedly said out of his own mouth this entire training camp/preseason that he himself wants to be a better pocket passer & not just a running QB. Its why he changed his entire workout regime. It's also why he worked hard this offseason on his footwork & mechanics. That was all based off advice which he got from fellow BYU alum, Steve Young who knew a thing or two about being a running QB in the NFL who transitioned into a pocket passer.

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“Steve’s been one of those guys that the connection to BYU is strong,” Hill said. “He’s been a guy that’s been really good about reaching out and offering advice to guys who’ve played at the program, and I wasn’t an exception to that.”

They’ve had plenty of conversations since the first time Hill left Young hanging.
“He’s a guy I really look up to and appreciate his mentorship,” Hill said.

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Young had to deal with his struggles in the USFL & in the NFL transitioning from being a runner into a pocket passer. Legendary & Hall of Fame coach Sid Gillman was a consultant for the Los Angeles Express in the USFL who worked with Young when Young played there.

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People don't remember that Sid Gillman was my coach. He was an old crotchety guy, but he was the first one to basically say, 'You can't just run around'... I remember, he literally tied my feet up.

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"So you talk about the light bulb. I really bought into, 'I've got to exhaust plays.' " Young said. "And the only way you can exhaust plays is -- you have to be an expert. You have to have the patience to stand in there and figure it out."

The sustained dominance of quintessential pocket passers such as Peyton Manning and Tom Brady has proven that the job of a championship quarterback is to "orchestrate and to be a master of the data -- from formation, to blitzes, to coverages," Young explained last week, in an enlightening article with Eric Branch of the San Francisco Chronicle.

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But it took Bill Walsh, in some ways the father of modern offense, after several years of effort, to convince Young that to win in the NFL you have to become a pocket passer. The quarterback can't play all the instruments. To succeed, he must be the conductor.

"Sid tried, but I was too young and too stubborn and I didn't listen," said Young, 50. "But Bill grabbed me this one time - I'll never forget it - and he said, 'Players need to know where you are when you're going to deliver the football. Championship football is orchestration.' "

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It's ironic that Young played under Walsh who was the architect of the west coast offense. And what offensive philosophy is Payton's offense built around?

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The Offense Itself

As a disciple of Bill Walsh's West Coast offense, Sean Payton worked his way up the NFL coaching ranks alongside the likes of Jon Gruden and Bill Callahan.

The traditional West Coast offense features quick, high percentage, horizontal passes.

In the Saints offense, the familiar slants and short-out routes that helped turn the likes of Joe Montana and Steve Young into household names are still intact, but Payton has sprinkled some of his own personal tweaks into Walsh's original model. Chief among these additions is an aggressive, vertical passing game.

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frick Payton.

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You big mad. Stop being a fanboi of a certain player because it's making you sound really dumb.

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Saints coach Sean Payton noted that while he'll tweak the offense for whichever QB wins the starting gig, the basis of the scheme won't change.

"We'll build it a little bit around that player accordingly. That's something that we did when Drew first arrived here and that we would do with either of these two players," Payton said Tuesday, via ESPN's Mike Triplett.

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"There's certain things that you might do just specific to one or the other. And yet there's still an overall philosophical approach that these guys will have learned to play offense," Payton said. "It's not a whole different game plan for each one of them."

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Taysom has repeatedly said out of his own mouth this entire training camp/preseason that he himself wants to be a better pocket passer & not just a running QB.

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i have not said anything to the contrary. being a better pocket passer does not mean you never run at all. you never have designed runs. you've just typed a lot of meaningless shite.

Steve Young rushed for over 500 yds as a 31 year old.

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Taysom has been dealt a shite deck in this competition so far. Hasn't played a snap with either offensive tackle. Has had Latavius Murray running 1.1 ypc most of the time. You can see moments where he had opportunities to escape but appears to have orders not to. Then the said lack of success is now the detriment to him losing a starting opportunity. frick Payton.

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He had 4 games last year didn't he? This was the first time Winston has started in 2 years.

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If your right Payton needs to go.
I don't get why you are not leading the sky screaming to the heavens right now.
He's had Taysom for years now and is too stupid to see what he has and how to use him.
I'm serious. If he is this dumb on what is supposed to be his strength how bad has he done in other areas?

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damn dude

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Young was light years more advanced as a passer at 31 than Taysom is in terms of reading defenses, accuracy & decision making in the pocket.

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has nothing to do with Taysom abandoning or Payton forcing the abandonment of his running style into his play as qb.

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OK, Coach Chad. I assume you have been at every practice and analyze each play.

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i've been reading daily reports by most writers who have pretty much detailed every pass thrown in camp thus far. Its been a lot of back and forth, not a lot of separation thus far.