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re: Hypothetical @ 13
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:17 pm to BILLFISHER22
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:17 pm to BILLFISHER22
Cooper so we can have more LSU fans crying about the Saints drafting Bama players.
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 7:03 pm to BILLFISHER22
Trade back with the dolphins for a 4th round pick and pick the WR they don't pick.
They are both great prospects. I think you have to choose who fits your team better. Based on that, I'd probably want White just based on his size. We don't have that potential #1 guy with size anymore.
They are both great prospects. I think you have to choose who fits your team better. Based on that, I'd probably want White just based on his size. We don't have that potential #1 guy with size anymore.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 8:06 pm to BILLFISHER22
Since neither one should be available at 13, it does not matter which one you pick. You win with either one. I would pick Cooper just so another team with a lower pick can't get him.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:18 pm to djmicrobe
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:24 pm to Suntiger
i think the Jets are out at WR for now. Percy Harvin left but Brandon Marshall came in.
if the Rams don't take a WR we might be in business for one of these guys. Cleveland just picked up Dwayne Bowe today so maybe they'll look elsewhere for help in Round 1???
the Rams pick is the one to watch for I guess. They look like they need help on the O-line and at WR like us.
its starting not to sound so crazy anymore.
I rather go O-line personally but whatever.
if the Rams don't take a WR we might be in business for one of these guys. Cleveland just picked up Dwayne Bowe today so maybe they'll look elsewhere for help in Round 1???
the Rams pick is the one to watch for I guess. They look like they need help on the O-line and at WR like us.
its starting not to sound so crazy anymore.
I rather go O-line personally but whatever.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:52 pm to LooseCannon22282
Possible teams I could see taking a WR before 13:
Oakland
Chicago
Giants
Rams
Vikings
Cleveland
I don't think the odds are in our favor that only one of those teams takes one.
Oakland
Chicago
Giants
Rams
Vikings
Cleveland
I don't think the odds are in our favor that only one of those teams takes one.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:07 pm to PurpleDrank18
yeah, I could see Oakland for sure.
when the 1st WR gets taken the 2nd won't stay on the board that long... you would think.
Chicago needs help bad on defense, the Giants have a young stud in OBJ, and the Vikings could go O-line(plus they just added Mike Wallace at WR).
the Browns are almost a slam dunk to screw up their pick in my opinion.
so its Raiders and Rams to watch for if you want one of the top dogs at WR. Just an opinion though.
when the 1st WR gets taken the 2nd won't stay on the board that long... you would think.
Chicago needs help bad on defense, the Giants have a young stud in OBJ, and the Vikings could go O-line(plus they just added Mike Wallace at WR).
the Browns are almost a slam dunk to screw up their pick in my opinion.
so its Raiders and Rams to watch for if you want one of the top dogs at WR. Just an opinion though.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:11 pm to BILLFISHER22
Cooper
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:19 pm to LooseCannon22282
I'm with you.
Chicago definitely needs defense, but if there's not a player they're in love with at 7, and Cooper or White is there I could see them snagging the value with Marshall gone.
The Giants, yes, have OBJ who is great. But after that its Rueben Randle(meh) and Victor Cruz. Cruz had one of the worst injuries to try and come back from so it'll be interesting to see how he rehabs. Plus the Giants have proven they usually go BPA. Now they could easily value Scherff over either WR, but I'm just saying I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility for them to snag one of the WRs.
I agree Browns are a wild card, who knows wtf they're going to do. Plus we should be weary of a trade up by another WR-needy team.
Chicago definitely needs defense, but if there's not a player they're in love with at 7, and Cooper or White is there I could see them snagging the value with Marshall gone.
The Giants, yes, have OBJ who is great. But after that its Rueben Randle(meh) and Victor Cruz. Cruz had one of the worst injuries to try and come back from so it'll be interesting to see how he rehabs. Plus the Giants have proven they usually go BPA. Now they could easily value Scherff over either WR, but I'm just saying I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility for them to snag one of the WRs.
I agree Browns are a wild card, who knows wtf they're going to do. Plus we should be weary of a trade up by another WR-needy team.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:05 am to BILLFISHER22
It's Cooper. And it's not close. Here is why:
White is a better prospect physically. He's bigger, and a little faster. Maybe a tad bit more explosive. He has good hands. But he's raw-ish. Still has a lot to learn on the finer tunings of the route tree. He will probably be the slightly better receiver in the long run. But Cooper... He is ready to be a WR1 right now. Guy knows every nuance to the position. He can run every route, make every move and beat anybody off the line. His hands leave a little to be desired but it'll get better with time. I just think for our current situation we would be a lot better off with a guy who can step in and be our #1 right away without a big learning curve (something I think will hinder White in year 1).
Even though they're both better, I'm thrilled at the idea of getting Parker. He's bigger than the other two. And he's actually pretty polished. Still a lot to learn but he's surprisingly explosive for a guy his size. I would love to have him at 13.
White is a better prospect physically. He's bigger, and a little faster. Maybe a tad bit more explosive. He has good hands. But he's raw-ish. Still has a lot to learn on the finer tunings of the route tree. He will probably be the slightly better receiver in the long run. But Cooper... He is ready to be a WR1 right now. Guy knows every nuance to the position. He can run every route, make every move and beat anybody off the line. His hands leave a little to be desired but it'll get better with time. I just think for our current situation we would be a lot better off with a guy who can step in and be our #1 right away without a big learning curve (something I think will hinder White in year 1).
Even though they're both better, I'm thrilled at the idea of getting Parker. He's bigger than the other two. And he's actually pretty polished. Still a lot to learn but he's surprisingly explosive for a guy his size. I would love to have him at 13.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 1:07 am to Rand AlThor
That's not a very convincing argument for cooper, slower with inconsistent hands is not a good thing. I'd rather the more explosive guy, different teams run different routes, I'm pretty sure our coaches can teach white those routes plus a little one on one time with Brees will do White wonders
With that said. I would rather us go with Collins to solidify our Oline and open the run
With that said. I would rather us go with Collins to solidify our Oline and open the run
Posted on 3/20/15 at 1:32 pm to Isaid
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No Amari is like Marquise Lee
Great comparison if Lee was 20 pounds heavier, an inch taller, and ran a 4.42 instead of a 4.52
Other than all that shite though, pretty spot on.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 1:42 pm to public_enemy
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That's not a very convincing argument for cooper, slower with inconsistent hands is not a good thing
Here's a video of Amari Cooper, Devante Parker, and Kevin White "racing"
You be the judge.
LINK
Also there's this little nugget.
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Both of these kids have great hands that their respective teams relied on for their success on offense. In 2015 Cooper only dropped six of the 130 catchable passes thrown to him for a 4.6 percent drop rate. White ended up dropping eight of his 116 catchable passes for a drop rate of only 6.89 percent.
This post was edited on 3/20/15 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 3/21/15 at 11:41 am to Fun Bunch
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If both are available, and no offers blow me away, White is the guy without even a question.
I'm just the opposite of you. Cooper is the no-brainer. White is the Combine hero; Cooper is the football player.
ETA: who also happened to have a great combine.
This post was edited on 3/21/15 at 11:42 am
Posted on 3/21/15 at 11:53 am to LSUzealot
Kevin White was pretty much dominant all year, he's not just a combine hero.
Cooper will have an easier transition to the NFL though, because his offense was more complex. The air raid that WVU runs is very simple.
The answer is really either/or. I like Cooper but mostly because I've seen him more.
Cooper will have an easier transition to the NFL though, because his offense was more complex. The air raid that WVU runs is very simple.
The answer is really either/or. I like Cooper but mostly because I've seen him more.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 11:54 am to LSUzealot
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I'm just the opposite of you. Cooper is the no-brainer. White is the Combine hero; Cooper is the football player.
White had a great year too. Cooper played for a better team and got more pub. I think they are both great. It's just what type of WR do you need. Do you want an AJ Green (White) or Desean Jackson (Cooper)?
Posted on 3/21/15 at 12:03 pm to Suntiger
The guy that interests me as a project is Perriman from UCF. I got to see them play a few times and he was just unreal, athletically. Doesn't seem to really know what he's doing yet though..but man if someone can round that guy into form w/ his routes and blocking he can pretty much be a superstar imo.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 12:23 pm to HMTVBrian2
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Kevin White was pretty much dominant all year, he's not just a combine hero.
This. He even torched Alabama in the season opener. The Tide’s secondary had no answer for him. West Virginia just got mauled on the other side of the ball & Alabama’s ability to run the ball was the difference in the game.
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Cooper will have an easier transition to the NFL though, because his offense was more complex. The air raid that WVU runs is very simple.
I have to agree with this as well. Cooper is the more pro ready of the two, coming out of a pro style offense. White will have a transition curve when it comes to recognizing coverages presnap & making a route adjustment according to that coverage. The spread doesn't prepare QB's or WR's to do this. This is done for them from the sideline.
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The answer is really either/or. I like Cooper but mostly because I've seen him more.
I watched plenty of both & I like both equally. It just depends on the role they will be thrown into. If an offense has a serious lack of talent at WR, you would want Cooper because of his route running & ability to play X,Y or Z. If you have other good receivers then White would be your guy because of his ability high point passes & his strength. He's a press/man coverage buster because he will not be jammed at the line of scrimmage & will fight for every ball. His game is similar to Dez Bryant.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 12:36 pm to Suntiger
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Desean Jackson (Cooper)?
you people are not good at comparisons.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 12:45 pm to PurpleDrank18
Yeah, Cooper is so much than a one dimensional deep threat. He has a way more well rounded game than Jackson does. The size comparison is way off as well.
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