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re: Hightower > Ingram
Posted on 12/27/15 at 7:37 pm to tunechi
Posted on 12/27/15 at 7:37 pm to tunechi
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You people realize Hightower is on the wrong side of 30?
29? three plus years older than Ingram
He's also had three years of no contact and about 200 fewer carries than Ingram.
Hightower could have som durability left for his age.
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Posted on 12/27/15 at 8:12 pm to moock blackjack
Because Saints is LSU
Posted on 12/27/15 at 8:36 pm to moock blackjack
Hightower screwed me not scoring on that screen pass.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 8:52 pm to N2cars
quote:did the exact same :
Doable. I picked up Cousins and Hightower for my championship.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 8:59 pm to moock blackjack
Why cut Ingram?
Oh wait BECAUSE BAMA huh?!? You frickstick.
Oh wait BECAUSE BAMA huh?!? You frickstick.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 9:13 pm to TigerRanter
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Meh. I can't really defend Ingram and I hate that we paid him big money.
4 years 16 million. Thats 4M/YR, or 1/38 of the current cap (which is continuing to rise at breakneck pace).
You have literally no idea what you're talking about.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 9:39 pm to LNCHBOX
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Where do you idiots come from?
the rant?
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:37 am to Rand AlThor
Only 9 RBs make more than he does. I don't think he's one of the 10 best RBs in the league. I'd have to re-check his production, though.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 8:44 am
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:49 am to TigerRanter
4.6 ypa go see how few are higher with over 150 attempts.
1 fumble. See where he ranks on that.
16th in rushing yards with games missed.
7th in rept with games missed.
To me he would be right at 10th in yards if no games missed.
Which is about were I put him if ranking best RB's.
1 fumble. See where he ranks on that.
16th in rushing yards with games missed.
7th in rept with games missed.
To me he would be right at 10th in yards if no games missed.
Which is about were I put him if ranking best RB's.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 8:52 am to TigerRanter
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don't think he's one of the 10 best RBs in the league. I'd have to re-check his production, though.
At least you're open minded to it
I think he's easily one of the top 10 complete RBs right now
They way he's improved in both pass protection and receiving screams to the work he's put in.
I've been very critical of some of our contracts, but this one is great value with only $6.1 million guaranteed
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:18 am to Lester Earl
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he likely wont even be on the team next year
honestly Cadet from what he showed today proves to be a better fit
Hightower has legit between the tackle running ability...and he finishes runs which Ingram does not.
Both Ingram and Hightower benefit from our passing offense and the threat it poses. Hightower seems to get more out of his runs than Ingram though.
Running Backs can be found everywhere. Hightower is just the latest example. We need to stop looking for the Cadet/Spiller all purpose backs and find a guy who can get tough yards in the hole and protect when needed. Pierre was one of those guys who could do it all well...which is why our offense always seemed to click when he played.
Most importantly, for a team that is already cash strapped, you have to decide where you are going to spend your money. RB just doesn't make a lot of sense.
Ingram has been good over the past two years. And, his contract is very fair for the Saints. But, if I can get a 3rd, I'm taking it.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 9:22 am
Posted on 12/28/15 at 9:38 am to moneyg
The biggest reason I think the team was willing to pay Ingram $4M a year for 4-5 years is because they knew what they were getting with him. Hightower has been great for us, there is no question about that. However, there was no guarantee he would pick up the offense as well as he did or would stay healthy. He was thought of as a good RB. but he could not stay healthy for an entire season. Fortunately for us. we didn't need him until the last month when Ingram went down.
Also, for every Hightower that the team brings in, they also risk a Spiller coming in and not being able to grasp the playbook (especially if you try to constantly get a bargain basement RB). Not sure if that is the entire reason he has not been playing, but he was a healthy scratch yesterday.
Also, wasn't this board going nuts a few years ago bitching about how we need to get better RBs to help support this offense? Now that we have them, everybody wants to bitch that we paid too much?
Also, for every Hightower that the team brings in, they also risk a Spiller coming in and not being able to grasp the playbook (especially if you try to constantly get a bargain basement RB). Not sure if that is the entire reason he has not been playing, but he was a healthy scratch yesterday.
Also, wasn't this board going nuts a few years ago bitching about how we need to get better RBs to help support this offense? Now that we have them, everybody wants to bitch that we paid too much?
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:44 pm to moneyg
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Hightower has legit between the tackle running ability...and he finishes runs which Ingram does not.
So you haven't watched Ingram play in at least 2 years?
Posted on 12/28/15 at 4:18 pm to LNCHBOX
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So you haven't watched Ingram play in at least 2 years?
I can guarantee you that I've watched as much as you have at minimum.
Ingram has improved immensely over the last 2 years. He's gone from a below average starting RB to an above average starting RB.
But, fair criticism includes the way that he runs upright and fails to lower his pads. Because of that he often doesn't get extra yards after contact unless he completely bounces off and maintains his balance (which he is good enough to do fairly frequently).
Feel free to disagree if you must.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 5:16 pm to moneyg
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I can guarantee you that I've watched as much as you have at minimum.
Doesn't seem like it.
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But, fair criticism includes the way that he runs upright and fails to lower his pads.
Not lately. It was very fair his first few years.
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Feel free to disagree if you must.
Thanks for the permission.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 5:19 pm to LSUTYGA
As a fan you don't know jack shite about football if you would take Hightower over Ingram.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 12:27 am to LNCHBOX
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Not lately. It was very fair his first few years.
You just don't know what you are seeing.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 12:54 am to moock blackjack
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Hightower > Ingram
Hightower has a better running style. He makes his initial cut with one leg forward and continuously heading to the hole.
Ingram frequently stutter steps or brings both feet together when making the initial cut towards the hole. This causes him to lose forward momentum while enabling the D to close at the same time. Ingram is effective when he does not do this but the fact is thats his normal style of running.
IMHO
Posted on 12/29/15 at 2:43 am to MoreOrLes
Although true, he's been reducing that aspect of his game a lot from years past. Also this year showed us he's become a more nimbler runningback, those hits in the backfield typically net a 1-2 yard loss, but this year he's fought to get a yard or two. Hell, he even turned a good bit into positive 5+ yard plays.
He's learning, that is what you want to continue to see and at this point he's easily a top 10 do it all RB.
He's learning, that is what you want to continue to see and at this point he's easily a top 10 do it all RB.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 5:53 am to tunechi
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Ingram played his arse off this year and was the least of our problems
I agree. It's not really a question of "who is better?" (obviously Hightower) but more of the fact that both are beneficial to the team.
another factor is that ingram is probably a positive influence in the locker room and maybe provides veteran leadership. It's unfair comparison for Ingram if you just go by "play on the field". Play on the field isn't Ingrams strong point.
You can't measure "heart" or "how much work a player puts in" and again those are two more of Ingrams strong points.
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 6:00 am
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