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re: For those that honestly believe this is a conspiracy
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:52 am to shel311
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:52 am to shel311
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Overall, 10/25 years from now, no one is talking about this.
When there's a bad call in a playoff game 20 years from now and ESPN does their top 10, this will be #1.
Of course it's going to go away in the news cycle. Everything does.
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Replay the game, and the NFL's shame lives on forever.
It's a PR decision.
You mean getting the call right and doing the right thing. Where's the bad pr that lives on forever? The NFL righted a wrong and protected the integrity of the game.
What's that rule for anyway if you can't use it now?
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:54 am to Lester Earl
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Rams 7 penalties 64 yards
And what were those penalties?
Three were "obvious" things you "have" to call in an encroachment, a false start, and a delay of game.
Now you're down to 4 vs. 3 penalties.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:56 am to Deactived
quote:Stop. if you're going to act like replaying this game would NOT be a PR disaster, then just say that, and I can ignore you from here on out. If you don't want to even try to be honest or rational, we can be done here.
You mean getting the call right and doing the right thing. Where's the bad pr that lives on forever?
Again, i'm not talking my or your feelings...I'm talking about from the NFL's perspective, everything as a whole.
quote:It's probably for things that can actually be proved beyond just a blown call. If the ref came out today, and said Goodell told him to do that and he could easily prove it, maybe that rule could be invoked. Over a blown call? Nah, no chance.
What's that rule for anyway if you can't use it now?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:59 am to Deactived
Rams a 3.5 point dog. Saints score 7 there and betting out come changes.
Funny how that one betting site refunded Saints bets. Word must be out in the sports betting world.
This is what the NFL is covering up.
Funny how that one betting site refunded Saints bets. Word must be out in the sports betting world.
This is what the NFL is covering up.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 11:02 am to HueyP
quote:Or that one site sees an opportunity to get some publicity and promote their brand and get new visitors to their site.
Funny how that one betting site refunded Saints bets. Word must be out in the sports betting world.
They're also not technically refunding, but they're giving those people credits to continue betting on their site.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 11:04 am to Sasquatch Smash
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And what were those penalties?
Three were "obvious" things you "have" to call in an encroachment, a false start, and a delay of game.
Now you're down to 4 vs. 3 penalties.
Well my buddy, one was a huge PI call on the 2nd play of OT on dan Arnold
I know One of the saints 3 penalties was Hendrickson lining up offsides on a 4&14punt, in which they ended up punting anyway
Check the tape
Posted on 1/22/19 at 11:07 am to Eternalmajin
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Rams fail on 3rd down again, but oh wait, nevermind, they "called timeout" and then go down and tie the game.
I've seen this play mentioned a couple times now in this thread. This was 100% the correct call. I was in the Dome, I saw they were breaking the huddle late so I started looking for McVay on the sidelines to see if he was going to burn a timeout. He ran up to the ref and signaled for the timeout a full 5 seconds before the ball was snapped. The Dome was just so freaking loud that literally no one could hear the whistle. I promise you we didn't get screwed on that play.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 11:24 am to Lester Earl
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Well my buddy, one was a huge PI call on the 2nd play of OT on dan Arnold
You saying that was a bad call?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 11:34 am to Deactived
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You saying that was a bad call?
he thinks that alleviates all the missed holds, the two BLATANT missed DPIS, the missed helmet to helmet and that that makes up for the NO call personal foul after that play.
if you rewatch closeley they did NOT want to make that call either, it was a late flag and they were very hesistant. i will guess they knew the damage was done and it would REALLY look egregious if they missed that one also.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 11:38 am to Deactived
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You saying that was a bad call?
of course not.
I am wondering how that call, in that moment, supports a conspiracy?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 11:52 am to UpToPar
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The refs had plenty of opportunities to make sure the Saints didn't win that game.
I do get what you are saying, however timing is everything and the no flags all but guaranteed the saints would not be able to put the game away with 1:49 ( or so ) left on the clock.
At the end of the day, I have no idea what was going through the minds of those refs... what I do know is that in 50+ years of watching football from flag football to NFL I have never seen a missed call from multiple refs as bad as that one... and there is no close 2nd...
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:00 pm to Lester Earl
Who made the call?
Was it one of the guys who swallowed their whistle 5 minutes before?
Fwiw, if there was a hidden agenda, I dont think the entire crew necessarily had to be in on it.
Like the NBA scandal showed us, 1 or 2 refs can completely change the outcome of a game
Was it one of the guys who swallowed their whistle 5 minutes before?
Fwiw, if there was a hidden agenda, I dont think the entire crew necessarily had to be in on it.
Like the NBA scandal showed us, 1 or 2 refs can completely change the outcome of a game
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:01 pm to Deactived
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Fwiw, if there was a hidden agenda, I dont think the entire crew necessarily had to be in on it.
Like the NBA scandal showed us, 1 or 2 refs can completely change the outcome of a game
absolutely
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:13 pm to Deactived
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Who made the call?
Was it one of the guys who swallowed their whistle 5 minutes before?
Fwiw, if there was a hidden agenda, I dont think the entire crew necessarily had to be in on it.
Like the NBA scandal showed us, 1 or 2 refs can completely change the outcome of a game
but you want to preach a game-wide conspiracy about all these other calls?
come the frick on
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:24 pm to Lester Earl
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Well my buddy, one was a huge PI call on the 2nd play of OT on dan Arnold
I know One of the saints 3 penalties was Hendrickson lining up offsides on a 4&14punt, in which they ended up punting anyway
Check the tape
Yeah, and one of the Saints' called penalties was a hold early in the 4th quarter that stalled a drive that started on the plus side of the field. A drive where a field goal would have put the Saints up 23-17 with likely under 10 minutes to go. Went from 2nd & 6 on the L.A. 42-ish to 1st & 20 on the Saints' 44. Pretty weak holding call as well.
Two of the remainder of Rams penalties were on special teams, a hold and a chop block (?). Glad they FINALLY got called for an interference, it's unfortunate that the game should have been at that point.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:27 pm to Lester Earl
and you want to act like the refs just made some mistakes and in now way would there be a possibility of some stuff being off.
and you want to act like the rams were just as screwed as us because of a maybe missed facemask and a maybe delay of game
i mean jesus you were arguing on here yesterday that you can understand the no call because it looked bang bang from your seat in the stands.
come the frick on
and you want to act like the rams were just as screwed as us because of a maybe missed facemask and a maybe delay of game
i mean jesus you were arguing on here yesterday that you can understand the no call because it looked bang bang from your seat in the stands.
come the frick on
Posted on 1/22/19 at 12:31 pm to Deactived
the worst part was the defender intentionally committed the penalty, knowing that the flag was better than giving up the TD after he got beat. And then didnt even get the flag. It'd be like an NBA player at the end of a game grabbing a player to draw a whistle rather than let time run out and the ref just looking at him blankly.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:15 pm to UpToPar
Helmet to helmet hit doesn’t look bad? He decorated a defenseless WR before the ball got there.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:36 pm to UpToPar
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What does the NFL gain from having the Rams in the SB over the Saints?
1) The Rams were the only team that scared me this season. They went all in as an organization to draw in a fan base. Fans love "names". Check the Saints threads when Suh might have come here, you'd think the guy was a god. Add Marcus Peters, Talib, Cooks...thats a team making desperate moves to make it work in LA before their multi-billion dollar stadium is built.
2) The NFL *MUST* make football work in LA to pay for that "NFL Disney World" stadium they're building in Inglewood. The NFL has/is investing billions and billions of dollars into that city. The returns will be greater if they are competitive.
You can believe that they NFL would never do anything to affect the integrity of the game. But you cannot deny that it does seem a bit fishy that this is the best outcome for the NFL.
Maybe in your world money doesn't matter, but to this CORPORATION money is the ONLY thing that matters. Rams going to the super bowl is better for the pockets of every owner. Even our sweet Gale Benson benefits from football working in LA.
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And again, if the refs had directives to make sure the Rams won, they had plenty of opportunities to change the game with a phantom hold here or there.
1) It would be way more obvious and harder to explain if the refs "changed the game with a phantom hold here or there." Easier to say "I didn't see anything" then, "Well you see I thought they held blah, blah"
2) They did the exact opposite and didn't call shite. All game. Check all the pass interference calls that were not called. (Beginning of the fourth quarter to Tedd Ginn for example. And another PI missed call in the first during either the first or second drive). The Rams were holding most plays (on offense, especially on blitzes). Also on Brees INT, Fowler had his hands inside of Brees helmet.
The NFL will *NEVER* admit to a fix existing, but that doesn't mean a fix was not set up.
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