re: For those on the Shough bandwagon.

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I'll admit that I am in "give him a chance I think he could be good" mode, but its entirely based on wishful thinking and Kellen Moore's opinion.

I can't base it on any statistical reality

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I mean, that's fine. But there's plenty of reputable draft analysts that were VERY high on Shough. And even the ones that weren't, still had him in the 2nd or at the very latest, the third round. Most had a.second round grade on him. Our fans like to act like we were the only team that loved Shough. fricking Field Yates said just days before the draft started that he expected a team to take him in the late first and that teams loved him.

There's plenty to not like about him. You can make plenty of arguments about him not working out. But I'm just not the kind of fan that will just say, "frick it, let's just wait until we can ONLY get a QB in the top 5 and put our eggs in only one basket"

I'm for taking a QB every single year, no matter the round, until you find one that sticks. Everyone is talking about Purdy, but never mention the Niners took Trey Lance the year before, someone with alllll the measurables and plenty of statistics to back up his play and look how that turned out. And it didn't stop San Fran from taking another QB a year later. THAT is the kind of approach to have. The Eagles did it with Hurts as well when they had Wentz still with a couple of years on his contract and had just made the playoffs with him

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People would rather just call it a fail before seeing ANYTHING and then be right and brag than to give things a legit shot to play out, but will either go complete delusional hater and pray for the pick to fail after proving successful, or just say aw gee glad I was wrong like the negativity wasn't vitriolic.

It's crazy how often this plays out on the negative side but is far more rare on the positive.

I don't see anyone saying this dude for sure will be the next great qb, but I sure do see a ton of people 100% convinced this was the worst pick they could have made, all without seeing anything happen in the pros yet.

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Exactly. Gyno can deny that all he wants but it's the truth. And I dont even think it has much to do with Shough himself or Moore. I think it has everything to do with just how much the fan base has grown, over the years, to despite Mickey Loomis. And I get it. I don't like his arse, either. But I think there's a certain sect of the fan base that would rather the Saints suck just so they can say they were right about Loomis and all of his shitty draft choices than see the team hit on some picks and a QB and be successful under Loomis again

Every single pick we have ever made has people on both sides of the fence. This is nothing new

Shitting on the pick, to me, means someone outright saying this guy sucks and he won’t work out. Show me that person so I can go back and look. Otherwise, this is typical post draft talk. QB is the most statistically quantifiable position in all of sports. If you don’t want to talk his numbers and age then that’s fine. But that’s all we have right now.

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but never mention the Niners took Trey Lance the year before, someone with alllll the measurables and plenty of statistics to back up his play

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What? He had almost no statistical justification, like Shough, and was drafted on tools, like Shough.

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And it didn't stop San Fran from taking another QB a year later.

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In the 7th

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Shitting on the pick, to me, means someone outright saying this guy sucks and he won’t work out. Show me that person so I can go back and look. Otherwise, this is typical post draft talk. QB is the most statistically quantifiable position in all of sports. If you don’t want to talk his numbers and age then that’s fine. But that’s all we have right now.

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Correct.

It's very rare to see anyone predict he'll outright suck.

And the intelligent criticism is being made, and Fun Bunch summarized it. Everyone being irrationally optimistic about the pick is doing it based in fandom with no statistical justification to support the optimism.

honest question, and not meant as an attack against you, and yes I know i have before, but honest question.....are you every happy or positive with anything this team does?

I ask because almost every post you make comes across as you looking for something negative to post.

I am sure some people have been irrationally optimistic, as you put it, but most of us are optimistic because we finally got out of the "Payton" era, and have finally started working towards a potentially better future.

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Thanks for your low iq input to the conversation….

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Looks like he’s just following your lead…

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I'm content with the rest of the draft, even reaching for the edge from UT.

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Same

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I haven't been overly excited with a lot of our moves the pats 5-6 years,

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Neither have I but I'm just not going to beat on a drum and say Shough sucks and is a wasted pick. He might suck. Probably will suck. Most of the QBs from this class will suck but I'm not going to hammer the FO for taking a swing, even if they miss. Lots of teams use a lot more draft capital (either a top 10 or multiple 1st round picks) on QBs than what the Saints just used. If they had traded up, I would have melted, but they stayed put and took a swing on a guy. I'm in the Underhill camp for once when he says they should take one every other year or so until you find the guy.

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This bozo is talking about college stats

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Cause the guy is 26.

Just think of a 26 yr old Joe burrow in college.

It's a valid point. I actually like shough but there is something to be said about a 26 yr old rookie qb.

Yea but try doing that w broken bones all the time