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ESPN Story on NBA Ref--Why not NFL?
Posted on 2/19/19 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 2/19/19 at 5:16 pm
Fixing Games
Now to get them to turn the spotlight on the NFL!
Now to get them to turn the spotlight on the NFL!
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 6:20 pm to RockChalkTiger
Its impossible to believe no refs have ever been approached or influenced. Now the NFL would do everything they could to keep that buried. Why do you think Goodell burned the spygate tapes?
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 5:26 am
Posted on 2/19/19 at 7:38 pm to RockChalkTiger
When you watch a football game, you are watching fantasy football.
The players and coaches are real. The effort to play well is real. If the players mail it in, they are replaced.
The final score and the outcomes of games are sadly fixed.
With points of emphasis given to the officiating crews, the league controls how the rules of the game will be enforced for each player and each team.
The game officials will be arrested and prosecuted only if it can be shown that they personally bet on specific outcomes of the game for personal gain.
The refs, as paid employees of the NFL, are allowed to manage the game to create competitive and exciting outcomes.
The refs are doing their instructed jobs with calls and no calls.
The NFL has legal coverage in the enforcement or lack of enforcement of game rules and game outcomes by billing itself as "entertainment".
As entertainment, the contrived outcomes make for good fantasy entertainment.
As long as no NFL employee bets on the games with intent to make money through gambling on and manipulating outcomes to win said bets, the NFL can alter game outcomes for entertainment purposes.
The players and coaches are real. The effort to play well is real. If the players mail it in, they are replaced.
The final score and the outcomes of games are sadly fixed.
With points of emphasis given to the officiating crews, the league controls how the rules of the game will be enforced for each player and each team.
The game officials will be arrested and prosecuted only if it can be shown that they personally bet on specific outcomes of the game for personal gain.
The refs, as paid employees of the NFL, are allowed to manage the game to create competitive and exciting outcomes.
The refs are doing their instructed jobs with calls and no calls.
The NFL has legal coverage in the enforcement or lack of enforcement of game rules and game outcomes by billing itself as "entertainment".
As entertainment, the contrived outcomes make for good fantasy entertainment.
As long as no NFL employee bets on the games with intent to make money through gambling on and manipulating outcomes to win said bets, the NFL can alter game outcomes for entertainment purposes.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 9:04 pm to RockChalkTiger
I believe every word of that. People are so blind to the real ways of the world.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 4:47 am to ecb
Basketball just leads itself more easily bc a ref can easily eliminate a player from playing by calling fouls.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 5:34 am to STEVED00
In basketball each team has between 75 to 100 possessions. In football each team is lucky to get 10. A drive killing penalty or drive sustaining penalty creates a much bigger impact than a penalty in basketball.
If the NFL wanted to influence game outcomes, it could. Since it would take less calls to make an impact, the influence would be less apparent. However, do you really think a hundred or so people could keep a secret as big as this for any length of time? I don’t, which is why if find it almost impossible to believe the NFL is controlling game outcomes. A single referee or officiating crew? Maybe.
If the NFL wanted to influence game outcomes, it could. Since it would take less calls to make an impact, the influence would be less apparent. However, do you really think a hundred or so people could keep a secret as big as this for any length of time? I don’t, which is why if find it almost impossible to believe the NFL is controlling game outcomes. A single referee or officiating crew? Maybe.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 6:53 am to cssamerican
quote:Yes. The NFL could have coaches and players in on the fix if they wanted. The NFL is the mafia of sports. Nobo is going to open up about that. Loose lips sink ships. They wouldn't be millionaires long if they opened their mouth.
However, do you really think a hundred or so people could keep a secret as big as this for any length of time? I don’t, which is why if find it almost impossible to believe the NFL is controlling game outcomes. A single referee or officiating crew? Maybe.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 7:35 am to Mrwhodat
Since offensive holding and pass interference occurs on some level on essentially every play, a flag for either can easily add or remove points for a team.
I’m not one of those conspiracy theorist who thinks the nfl or Vegas fixes games but it seems to be easier to accomplish than basketball.
I’m not one of those conspiracy theorist who thinks the nfl or Vegas fixes games but it seems to be easier to accomplish than basketball.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 7:42 am to oreeg
Well it's definitely strange how the refs can't get any better and the league doesn't want penalties reviewed. Fix or not the refs are controlling too many games and i'm not investing all my time again to see what else they eff up.
And as an added benefit to the league, those questionable calls and non calls just add more attention as everyone talks about it all week.
It's an orcestrated circus.
And as an added benefit to the league, those questionable calls and non calls just add more attention as everyone talks about it all week.
It's an orcestrated circus.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 8:22 am to saintsfan1977
quote:Then why the frick do you and everyone else in this thread watch? Whats the point? Why are you spending money and gear and time watching something you know is fixed and rigged?
Yes. The NFL could have coaches and players in on the fix if they wanted. The NFL is the mafia of sports. Nobo is going to open up about that. Loose lips sink ships. They wouldn't be millionaires long if they opened their mouth.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 8:27 am to ecb
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the NFL would do everything they could to keep that buried.
Exactly! Look at what the NBA did to the FBI--deny and then leak it to the press to kill the investigation. And the NFL is twice as crooked!
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 8:37 am
Posted on 2/20/19 at 8:32 am to STEVED00
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easily eliminate a player
Kamara in "concussion protocol" vs. Falcons? No "roughing the passer" calls? Starting to wonder if the league told the Saints to go after Favre in '09, then cooked up Bountygate to cover their tracks.
Mrwhodat is right. The whole thing is rigged!
Personally, I think the NFL "manages" games through the refs to keep them close and "exciting." I watched the Chiefs all year and every time Mahomes would get rolling, out came the flags, leading the Chiefs to become one of the most penalized teams all year and the victim of many second half "comebacks," making Andy Reid's "inability" to put teams away yet another storyline. The problem with this is it absolutely changes outcomes. A flag on the Rams would have ended the game but the no call let the league and its broadcasters market more "drama!" The NFL is no different than Bravo or E! They create drama and broadcast it!
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 8:44 am
Posted on 2/20/19 at 8:40 am to lsupride87
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Then why the frick do you and everyone else in this thread watch? Whats the point? Why are you spending money and gear and time watching something you know is fixed and rigged?
Not saying I agree with anything being said in this thread but I guess people spend a lot of money on wrestling. That's all staged. Not sure why this story is coming back out to light though. It was huge years ago but at that time anyone who watched the Kings/Lakers playoff series knew the NBA was having issues. The Dallas/Heat Finals brought it back to light again.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 8:49 am to lsupride87
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Then why the frick do you and everyone else in this thread watch
For the record, I'm not. I'm done with the NFL. Didn't watch a second of the AFC CG or the SB (and the Chiefs are my AFC team) because I knew exactly what would happen after I saw the fix for the Rams.
But I'm only one person ;)
Posted on 2/20/19 at 9:02 am to ShootingsBricks4Life
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Not sure why this story is coming back out to light though.
That's a good point. I think pro sports in general and the NFL in particular realize they have a massive credibility problem so they got their propaganda arm, E$PN, to roll out a story saying, "See, it doesn't happen because we would catch it!" Except they didn't. For four years!
I don't know if Vinovich or his crew were on the take, or if they were just doing what their mob boss Goodell told them to. But I do smell a rat. And that's why I'm done!
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:42 pm to lsupride87
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Then why the frick do you and everyone else in this thread watch? Whats the point? Why are you spending money and gear and time watching something you know is fixed and rigged?
I don't...anymore.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 4:15 pm to RockChalkTiger
This is my hope.
There may well be an investigation ongoing. If there is, we likely wouldn't know about it until they were ready to drop it or bring charges.
Cary Cavaletto = Tim Donaghy
There may well be an investigation ongoing. If there is, we likely wouldn't know about it until they were ready to drop it or bring charges.
Cary Cavaletto = Tim Donaghy
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:48 pm to RockChalkTiger
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ESPN Story on NBA Ref--Why not NFL?
Bc it happened like 18 years ago... give it time
Posted on 2/21/19 at 10:16 pm to RockChalkTiger
Wow..what an article... he was doing it for 4 years. I would hope that now there are some kind of analytics to notice if refs have a pattern with penalties or fouls for or against a spread. But now that I write it, that’s probably impossible.
Scary and sad that it’s probably more prevalent than we think.
Scary and sad that it’s probably more prevalent than we think.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 3:08 am to lsupride87
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Then why the frick do you and everyone else in this thread watch? Whats the point? Why are you spending money and gear and time watching something you know is fixed and rigged?
The same reason anyone watches wrestling. Entertainment. You want to see a player in on the fix? Watch Ben Roethlisberger. That sonofabitch has no problems throwing games and point shaving. Anyone that believes the NFL is a sport is foolish.
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