re: Drew Brees Contract

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Dead money goes up and down every year. It's not a steady climb. Yet another strawman.

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You are arguing for a system that guarantees increased dead money. "Kicking the can down the road" is, effectively, creating dead money (by converting salary to signing bonus and using void years to literally create dead money). It's just a matter of when it falls on your cap.

That initial savings is dead money down the line, effectively.

Void years create dead money, literally. That's their entire purpose.

The Saints actions directly reflect what SFP is talking about. How is that a straw man lol

Spending in the nfl is not an unconscious exercise. You want to believe it is, then you keep citing examples on why it’s not.

When someone uses “straw man” on TD, that is usually code for “I can’t explain myself”

The dead money doesn't affect the actual effective value of a contract on the back end. It is included in the formula from the start.

This is why even though MM has a per year average of $11 mil or whatever it was, his effective cap for us is $8.6 mil.

Meanwhile MW has the same per year and effective cap number.

We literally design contracts to have higher looking per year while usually having much lower effective value.

You can call it bad all you want, it is an extremely effective method that has worked for decades for us now, and only twice with unseen circumstances has it bit us, with JG and with Covid.

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The dead money doesn't affect the actual effective value of a contract on the back end.

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No it affects new contracts that will be signed when that "back end" occurs. That's the entire point

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This is why even though MM has a per year average of $11 mil or whatever it was, his effective cap for us is $8.6 mil.

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That difference is the final year's salary (7M) and roster bonus (0.5M), which he will almost assuredly never see.

MM's contract created 2.4M in dead cap space no matter what else we do (via using 2 void years). That money is going to take away future cap (it's just not clear when, b/c MM signed basically a 2-year deal and may get extended or restructured-extended after that). That dead cap space can rise to 3.6M if we outright cut him after year 2.

MM's contract is basically a 2/15 deal with cap impact as follows:

2022: 2.64
2023: 8.60

Guaranteed Dead Money: 2.4M
Remaining signing bonus proration: 1.2M

Now, 2023 can be restructured, which just adds more dead cap impact down the road (by converting a roster bonus into signing bonus).

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We literally design contracts to have higher looking per year while usually having much lower effective value.

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All teams do this by adding big salaries late in deals that aren't likely to be met. I discussed this at length about MWs deal yesterday and how much better it was because it's straight up and doesn't use dead cap-creating void years or poison pills to force dead cap-creating restructuring.

Also, had we gotten Watson, we would have had to gut many more of our young talent and older veterans in a year or 2.

Yeah we could fit him in for 2022, but 2023 and beyond? We'd be in a pickle.

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The fake argument is that we lost MW and CJ becasue of cap mismanagement.

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That's not a straw man. We are both making different assumptions and arguing which is more logical. Completely different than a strawman.

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I've shown time and again several ways and with real, applicable reasons why that isn't true.

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You have made arguments defending your assumptions. That's it.

Show me where they said they wouldn't have signed MW and/or CGJ if we had 40M in extra cap this year (and without the dead cap space doom moving forward) and then you'll have proven your argument. You can't, just as I can't show where the front office said they WOULD do what I assume they would, given the same hypothetical scenario.

I’m glad y’all are still taking that shinny hook I sent out. Brees could’ve given us a hometown discount for eating his shitty bar food and drinking his terribly curated national “craft beer” tap list.

I don’t disagree with you per se, but you act as if the Saints are the only team in the league who gets bitten by overloaded contracts, dead money, or creative restructuring. We’ve been maintaining a power franchise and drafting pretty well.

It is what it is.

Cap was partially responsible but I agree they could have kept him if they wanted. They felt their defense was so strong that they could have found a much cheaper replacement without much drop off. Plus, the Saints don’t Re-Sign safeties.