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"Dennis Allen is in a good spot" -Rapsheet
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:32 pm
Rapoport video from NFL Network on Twitter/X, from this morning
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"This is the time of year where everyone talks about Job Status. My understanding is that Dennis Allen is in a good spot. Obviously if it goes horrific at the end of the year, it's subject to change, but that is where it stands now.
One of the reasons is that they aren't getting out of where they are. They have Derek Carr who is fully guaranteed for next year, plus a roster that is getting a little older and slower, getting expensive, not as twitchy as you'd like. If they're going to rebuild - that's something you'd do with a new coach, but they can't do that next year anyway so it does not seem prime time for a reboot"
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"This is the time of year where everyone talks about Job Status. My understanding is that Dennis Allen is in a good spot. Obviously if it goes horrific at the end of the year, it's subject to change, but that is where it stands now.
One of the reasons is that they aren't getting out of where they are. They have Derek Carr who is fully guaranteed for next year, plus a roster that is getting a little older and slower, getting expensive, not as twitchy as you'd like. If they're going to rebuild - that's something you'd do with a new coach, but they can't do that next year anyway so it does not seem prime time for a reboot"
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 1:33 pm
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Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:36 pm to Rand AlThor
He was always going to survive this year if we won at least 7 games. Firing him does not improve the organization next year. A new coach (or even a new GM) would be severely handcuffed next year with the contracts we have on the books.
He'll absolutely be fired next year if we don't make the playoffs.
He'll absolutely be fired next year if we don't make the playoffs.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:38 pm to blackandgolddude
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A new coach (or even a new GM) would be severely handcuffed next year with the contracts we have on the books.
Here's the problem. The team is at a crossroads where some of the decisions we make with the restructures THIS offseason change how long a true rebuild will take. For example, if they DON'T restructure Carr, they can get off him after 2024. But if they do, they can free up another $25M in cap space for this offseason, which allows them to make more moves - but this also effectively makes us stuck with Carr for 2 more years after next year. My fear is that we will make those aggressive moves again to try and run it back for a coach who isn't going to be here long term anyway, suck again, and now we're stuck in an even worse position and are realistically expanding our rebuild out to at least 4-5 years.
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:39 pm to Rand AlThor
Unfortunately this dumb frick Derek Carr is too good to go 0-17 or even 2-15.
As long as he is here, it will still be hell. 6 to 8 win seasons and more drafting 17 versus drafting top 5.
So hypothetically we will keep being arse and not having high draft picks.
As long as he is here, it will still be hell. 6 to 8 win seasons and more drafting 17 versus drafting top 5.
So hypothetically we will keep being arse and not having high draft picks.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:41 pm to Bottom9
Feel like ticket renewals will plummet if they keep Allen. Like most thing the organization does, I feel like they really don’t have a pulse on how much the fan base is not on board the Allen direction
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:45 pm to Rand AlThor
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My fear is that we will make those aggressive moves again to try and run it back for a coach who isn't going to be here long term anyway, suck again, and now we're stuck in an even worse position and are realistically expanding our rebuild out to at least 4-5 years.
You know they will do this.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:51 pm to St Augustine
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You know they will do this.
I know they'll do it to an extent because they have to - vast majority of restructures must happen to get compliant. As long as they don't do Carr, I'm fine with virtually almost everything else. But the Carr restructure is the pin that decides whether or not we're fricked long term
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:56 pm to Rand AlThor
Unfortunately I think Rap is correct except I don’t think anything will get Allen canned this season. Things have already been horrific. The best we can hope for is they move on from Carmichael and whoever the o-line coach is. Who even knows if they’ll do that?
Eff it, run it back but no new high dollar contracts. Let this shite play out and run out the clock on the salary cap hell. 3-4 years of seasons like the current one then rebuild it all.
Eff it, run it back but no new high dollar contracts. Let this shite play out and run out the clock on the salary cap hell. 3-4 years of seasons like the current one then rebuild it all.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:59 pm to Rand AlThor
How in the frick could he have been in a “good spot” at any point this season?
Posted on 12/22/23 at 2:05 pm to idontyield
Pete will be the sacrificial lamb and “change” that Allen uses to get another year.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 2:12 pm to idontyield
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I don’t think anything will get Allen canned this season. Things have already been horrific. The best we can hope for is they move on from Carmichael and whoever the o-line coach is. Who even knows if they’ll do that?
This used to be the old school way to have things happen, the team is ran an old school way (including playbooks) so it does make sense.
Team has a bad year (2022), shake some things up and look for improvements. No improvements (2023), blame coordinators and give HC another year (2024). Next year is terrible, get a new HC. If the cycle continues 2-3 times, then replace the FO. As much as this board wants to see the front office overturned, the reality is they just came off of the most successful run in franchise history. That will buy them a few Head Coaches.
Some HCs can scrap an extra year by turning over to a rookie QB and getting 1 more year. I would think DA being able to go out and get Carr (his pick) should avoid that happening.
TL/DR: IMO, DA gone after 2024, Loomis probably sticks around until he steps away or after 2028.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 2:18 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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If the cycle continues 2-3 times, then replace the FO.
That part is not happening. Mickey and Lauscha are basically the owners at this point and will be handling the team's transition after Gayle's death. There is no moving off the FO.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 2:30 pm to Rand AlThor
Saving myself the money with Sunday Ticket next season if this is the case.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 2:30 pm to blackandgolddude
Gayle needs to sell the team. Preferably to a new owner who gives a shite and will keep the team in the city.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 2:35 pm to Rand AlThor
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They have Derek Carr who is fully guaranteed for next year, plus a roster that is getting a little older and slower, getting expensive, not as twitchy as you'd like. If they're going to rebuild - that's something you'd do with a new coach, but they can't do that next year anyway so it does not seem prime time for a reboot"
This makes aense
Posted on 12/22/23 at 2:36 pm to Rand AlThor
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Obviously if it goes horrific at the end of the year, it's subject to change
We are already there. Firing him this morning to avoid a chance at making the decision tougher if they win the next two weeks would be the better move
Posted on 12/22/23 at 2:42 pm to Rand AlThor
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vast majority of restructures must happen to get compliant. As long as they don't do Carr,
doing carr might be our only way out of that albatross contract if they can lower his pay and include incentive ladden increases so he must earn it on the field
Posted on 12/22/23 at 2:53 pm to moneyg
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This makes aense
Maybe….or maybe you let someone else see if they can get more out of this roster. See if they can install more discipline, get more buyin, and give them a year headstart to see first hand what they have to work with help in evaluations for future cuts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 2:56 pm to keakar
Unless he wants out of NOLA, then what would be the incentive for Carr to do this? The reality, if Carr's contract is touched it'll be to convert his $25M of his 30M base salary to a bonus to lower his 2024 cap hit from $35.7M to $10M. The dead money will remain the same because of guarantees and bonus money kicked down the road.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 3:03 pm to Rand AlThor
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My fear is that we will make those aggressive moves again to try and run it back for a coach who isn't going to be here long term anyway, suck again, and now we're stuck in an even worse position and are realistically expanding our rebuild out to at least 4-5 years.
That is 100% what is going to happen. Unless they admit next year is a lame duck year with Allen. Which will never happen with these arrogant idiots. There is no way out of this as long as Loomis is here.
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