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Dennis Allen >>> Sean Payton when it comes to the draft
Posted on 4/29/23 at 7:42 am
Posted on 4/29/23 at 7:42 am
All of our picks make perfect sense so far. We lost a lot of DL to free agency, and so we had to restock the cupboard there.
Also, we had an obvious need at RB because of the Alvin Kamara debacle.
We picked our guys at positions of need instead of just random guys that were “best available” who leave everyone scratching their heads. Nobody really knows who the best talents will be once these guys step foot on the field. Scouting is largely just educated guesswork, so you might as well get a guy that you need.
Last but not least, we didn’t trade away any assets in order to move up like 5 spots and pick a guy that we have a mancrush on. That’s something Sean was notorious for.
Also, we had an obvious need at RB because of the Alvin Kamara debacle.
We picked our guys at positions of need instead of just random guys that were “best available” who leave everyone scratching their heads. Nobody really knows who the best talents will be once these guys step foot on the field. Scouting is largely just educated guesswork, so you might as well get a guy that you need.
Last but not least, we didn’t trade away any assets in order to move up like 5 spots and pick a guy that we have a mancrush on. That’s something Sean was notorious for.
This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 7:45 am
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 7:46 am to cbree88
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We picked our guys at positions of need instead of just random guys that were “best available” who leave everyone scratching their heads. Nobody really knows who the best talents will be once these guys step foot on the field. Scouting is largely just educated guesswork, so you might as well get a guy that you need.
You basically argued against yourself without even realizing it
Posted on 4/29/23 at 7:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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You basically argued against yourself without even realizing
I’m guessing you don’t do reading comprehension very well?
“Best available” is stupid because scouting is not at all an exact science. Go get guys at positions that you actually need help at.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 7:48 am to cbree88
I really liked our draft class last year, and I'm hopeful on this one so far.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 7:50 am to msstate7
We traded away picks last year and Sean wasn’t there
This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 7:51 am
Posted on 4/29/23 at 7:52 am to cbree88
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Best available” is stupid because scouting is not at all an exact science. Go get guys at positions that you actually need help at.
Again, how do you know they're worthy players at a position of need? The very same scouting you just said, "is not an exact science"?
So, again, you argued against yourself and you still don't realize it
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I’m guessing you don’t do reading comprehension very well?
IronicPosted on 4/29/23 at 7:55 am to shaqtaw
I'm looking at players only, and not how they were acquired...
Olave, shaheed, and Taylor look like really good players. In his limited time, penning looked pretty good too. Smoke Monday was supposedly primed for a good season before injury. I think all 5 could have nice seasons this year
Olave, shaheed, and Taylor look like really good players. In his limited time, penning looked pretty good too. Smoke Monday was supposedly primed for a good season before injury. I think all 5 could have nice seasons this year
Posted on 4/29/23 at 7:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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Again, how do you know they're worthy players at a position of need? The very same scouting you just said, "is not an exact science"? So, again, you argued against yourself and you still don't realize it
Wrong. Your reading comprehension sucks ,and you’re over-analyzing this.
Picking the player that you think is best at a position of need is very different than picking a guy at a random position because you think he’s better than everyone else in the draft.
This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 7:57 am
Posted on 4/29/23 at 7:59 am to cbree88
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Picking the player that you think is best
Why do they think he's the best?
Scouting?
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is very different than picking a guy at a random position because you think he’s better than everyone else in the draft.
It's not. You're just not limiting yourself to a particular position to engage in inefficient behaviors
Every position is one of need in the NFL. Intentionally picking inferior prospects is pretty irrational and not good for long-term success.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:02 am to cbree88
Sean was a part of two of the best draft classes of all time.
So far DA has only picked one player we know is good. Olave.
So pump the brakes a bit.
So far DA has only picked one player we know is good. Olave.
So pump the brakes a bit.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:03 am to SlowFlowPro
How did that work out for Sean and company? Lots of mediocre seasons and only one Super Bowl despite having sure fire hall of famer Drew Brees for 15 years.
Meanwhile, New England won 6 super bowls and played in 9 while employing a very different strategy and frequently trading back in the draft in order to pick additional players on the cheap.
Meanwhile, New England won 6 super bowls and played in 9 while employing a very different strategy and frequently trading back in the draft in order to pick additional players on the cheap.
This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 8:05 am
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:12 am to cbree88
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How did that work out for Sean and company? Lots of mediocre seasons and only one Super Bowl despite having sure fire hall of famer Drew Brees for 15 years.
We've been a top 3-4 franchise over that period of time
So it worked out pretty well.
Also Sean/Mickey were mediocre-bad at drafting until they got Ireland in 2017, so you have to look at SP's career in eras
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New England won 6 super bowls and played in 9 while employing a very different strategy
Dude New England picks more BPA than we do
Also, New England has an iffy draft history. They kept their roster stocked with veteran acquisitions (FA and trades) more than drafting.
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frequently trading back in the draft in order to pick additional players on the cheap.
So you argue for picking for need, and then talk about New England doing the literal opposite as a success story?
We trade up for needs. They trade down to draft BPA.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
Mate, does it ever get old being completely negative about every single team you follow?
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
Or perhaps they understand that sitting put where you are and picking BPA is stupid and causes you to overpay for players you don’t really need and who might be busts anyway?
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:29 am to cbree88
Sean Payton was good at drafting until he wanted to leave and couldn't. He tried to leave somewhere in 2018 or 2019 and once he couldn't he was done with the Saints.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:29 am to NIH
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Mate, does it ever get old being completely negative about every single team you follow?
I'm not being negative about the draft. I supported the first 2 picks and the RB is whatever.
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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Again, how do you know they're worthy players at a position of need? The very same scouting you just said, "is not an exact science"?
Scouting is not an exact science
Player with ambiguous future success at a position of need has a higher percentage chance of contributing to team than a player with ambiguous success at a position not in need or at a position that isn't in our scheme.
I usually agree with most of the rocks you die on sfp, but this one is dumb. The only argument is if scouting is a complete crapshoot or not.
I belive the truth is somewhere in between. If I'm going to pick someone out of scheme or a position I don't need. I need to believe there's a 3x disparity between them and the next talent that is at a position of need. I'm introducing way too many variables to take a player I believe is marginally better. I think absolute bpa is overblown and kinda dumb.
This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 8:46 am
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:44 am to Pendulum
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Scouting not exact science Player with ambiguous future success at a position of need has a higher percentage chance of contributing to team than a player with ambiguous success at a position not in need or at a position that isn't in our scheme.
Thank you! At least you get it
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:44 am to Pendulum
I feel like im taking crazy pills. The majority of this thread is arguing that taking needs in the draft is better than BPA? Lol, thats not a logical debate at all. Draft stars wins in the nfl, not drafting needs to marginally increase your weaknesses
Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:46 am to Rand AlThor
2. Taylor is a stud as well
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