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Comp picks ? Underhill thinks so...

Posted on 3/26/20 at 1:38 pm
Posted by Athis
Member since Aug 2016
11637 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 1:38 pm
I don't know diddly poo about comp picks and I assume this is for the 2021 draft.. So if you lose a player to free agency and you don't replace him you get a comp pick..What if you replace the lost player through the draft?

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Nick Underhill
@nick_underhill
If they don’t sign anyone else, Saints should be in position to get three comp picks. Bridgewater would probably net a third.
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Posted by tzimme4
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
28419 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 1:48 pm to
Shouldnt the Saints get one for Payton's coronavirus?
This post was edited on 3/26/20 at 1:48 pm
Posted by Tiny Rick
In a vat in the garage
Member since Jan 2016
1517 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 1:50 pm to
Goodell still in charge?

Go ahead and bet on zero.
Posted by ElRoos
Member since Nov 2017
7216 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 2:02 pm to
When's the last time we got one out of curiosity?
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278499 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 2:04 pm to
curious as to what "sign someone else" means


cause the Saints will assuredly sign multiple players between now and then.
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
22445 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 2:06 pm to
I feel like the formula for this is standard and pre-determined and we all just refuse to learn it so that we can pretend we are part of a conspiracy.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115968 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 2:09 pm to
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curious as to what "sign someone else" means


Its based partially on the dollar amount of contracts I believe, so if there are no more "big" signings then we will get multiple Comp picks.

And yes in next year's draft, when we will really, really need to be thinking towards the future and shifting younger, so it could come at a good time.

You can find the methodology online, it is pretty complicated, but here it is in part:

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In plain English, if a team loses more players that qualify as CFAs than it signs during free agency, that team is eligible to be awarded compensatory picks in the following NFL draft.

It is important to note that only certain players qualify for the compensatory formula. Those are only players whose contracts expire. Players who are cut are the most common example of free agents ineligible to become CFAs, but other methods of disqualification, such as a Restricted Free Agent not given a tender, also exist. In its most general sense, players only become Compensatory Free Agents if they are free to leave their old team against that team’s will.

Methodology
App. V, §2 lays out the process of calculating the value of CFAs. §2(a) begins the calculation as follows to all players in the league

Start with the Average Per Year (APY) of the contract signed.
Subtract from the APY any money that the compensatory formula does not count3.
Rank these players by adjusted APY in descending order, and assign points to each player, equal to [number of leaguewide players]-[rank].
Add anywhere from 25 to 100 points for players who played a percentage of snaps on offense or defense in the range of 25% to 100%. (Kickers and punters are given a different point addition unrelated to snap counts.)
Add 20 or 5 points for postseason honors as determined by the AP’s All Pro list, and the PFWA’s All NFL/All Conference list.
3 Prior to the 2020 CBA, it had been determined that workout bonuses, incentives, and salary escalators were common devices that the compensatory formula does not count. However, App. V, §2(a) of the 2020 CBA makes clear that these devices will now count if they are considered Likely To Be Earned, or are earned in the player’s first season of his new contract.
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
8856 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 2:25 pm to
We are in line to get a 3rd rounder and two sixth rounders. We can still sign players cut off other teams. Meaning we can sign someone like Scam for as much as we want and it will not count towards the formula.
Posted by Athis
Member since Aug 2016
11637 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 2:28 pm to
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1994
From 1994-2019 the Saints ranked last in compensatory draft picks with only 10. The Baltimore Ravens are at the top of the list with 50.Mar 12, 2020


I can't find when was the last year but I found this...
Posted by Got Blaze
Youngsville
Member since Dec 2013
8756 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 3:02 pm to
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When's the last time we got one out of curiosity?

2017: 3rd rd - Trey Hendrickson LB FAU
2011: 7th rd - Nate Bussey LB ILL
2006: 7th rd - Marques Colston WR Hofstra
2004: 2nd Rd - Cortney Watson LB Notre Dame, 7th rd - Colby Buckwoldt LB BYU

Since the compensatory picks began in 1994 the Saints have the fewest pick of all 32 teams. 10 total.

Looking back at stupid draft choices in the last 10 yrs, this one was a total waste b/c SP fell in love with the dude... 2015 3rd rd (75th overall)- Garrett Grayson QB COLO ST.
Posted by Athis
Member since Aug 2016
11637 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 4:15 pm to
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total waste b/c SP fell in love with the dude.


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Antonio Pittman was selected in the 4th round of the 2007 NFL Draft by the New Orleans Saints. Pittman was cut on September 1, 2007 to make room on the roster for Pierre Thomas.


And if I am not mistaken we moved up to draft him...
Posted by LSU_30A
Member since Jan 2019
2921 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 4:32 pm to
I’m not sure how this system works but shouldn’t we get 2 third round comp picks? One fit Teddy and one for Vonn Bell?
Posted by NOSA
Member since Jan 2004
9626 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 4:47 pm to
Signing Emmanuel Sanders counts against us.
Posted by bonethug0180
Avondale
Member since Jul 2018
4351 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 4:48 pm to
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In its most general sense, players only become Compensatory Free Agents if they are free to leave their old team against that team’s will.


This implies that Jenkins should not count against us. I know his is a trickier case since he wasn't actually released, but it was the team's option to let him go.
Posted by bonethug0180
Avondale
Member since Jul 2018
4351 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 4:49 pm to
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I’m not sure how this system works but shouldn’t we get 2 third round comp picks? One fit Teddy and one for Vonn Bell?


Bell's value will be offset by Sanders.

We should get a 3rd for Teddy, but if we get other picks they are likely to be 6th and 7th rounders.
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
8856 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 5:51 pm to
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Bell's value will be offset by Sanders. We should get a 3rd for Teddy, but if we get other picks they are likely to be 6th and 7th rounders


Sanders signing will offset either Bell or Apple. And we lost Klein. So we should end up with two 6th round picks and a 3rd for Teddy.
Posted by Raptordawg
Youngsville, La.
Member since Nov 2005
549 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 7:01 pm to
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2017: 3rd rd - Trey Hendrickson LB FAU 2011: 7th rd - Nate Bussey LB ILL 2006: 7th rd - Marques Colston WR Hofstra 2004: 2nd Rd - Cortney Watson LB Notre Dame, 7th rd - Colby Buckwoldt LB BYU


We didn't get a compensatory pick in 2017. That pick was obtained through a trade.

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Posted by beachtiger777
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
627 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:40 pm to
Ok
This post was edited on 3/26/20 at 8:42 pm
Posted by BayouRat15
DAUPHIN ISLAND,AL
Member since Jan 2004
10182 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:26 pm to
WWL still sucks.
Bring Deke back at nighttime.

Tired listening to Dave the money guy
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24837 posts
Posted on 3/26/20 at 11:46 pm to
Roger finna change all the rules before we get comp picks, lulz.
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