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re: Chris Simms: Shough will be the starter

Posted on 8/18/25 at 1:23 pm to
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73965 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 1:23 pm to
It would be foolish to not see what you have with Rattler under the new offense, with a healthy cast. Odds are he isn’t it, but we must do the due diligence to ensure he isn’t a guy. Shough will have ample opps if Rattler does indeed suck
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46231 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 2:03 pm to
If nothing else you need to find out what he's really made of before you enter a QB-rich 2026 draft with a top 5 pick.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74396 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 2:23 pm to
I think the experiment is ready to go.
We have a qb on 3rd year 2nd year and first year and 18 more games. Seems like CKM will have plenty of results to ponder next off season to me.
Posted by saintsfan1977
Arkansas, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
9957 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 3:06 pm to
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Shough will be the starter

I'd bet money this doesn't happen. Shough isn't ready compared to Rattler. The INT Rattler threw was on Tipton. He played as good as possible yesterday. Don't get me wrong, he'll still throw INTS because he's a gun slinger, but he's used to playing behind a shite oline and making things happen.

Don't bring up last year. That's in the past and he was thrown in the fire with nothing. No coaching, no line, no WRs, no Kamara etc. He had zero chance of success last year.

I'm still hoping Shough pays off because he looks great at times. We have time and the coaching to let him sit.
Posted by P bean
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Member since Dec 2006
4759 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 4:55 pm to
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Most who cover the Saints more intently think the opposite


These folks are often wrong.
Posted by P bean
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Member since Dec 2006
4759 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 4:57 pm to
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It would be foolish to not see what you have with Rattler under the new offense, with a healthy cast. Odds are he isn’t it, but we must do the due diligence to ensure he isn’t a guy. Shough will have ample opps if Rattler does indeed suck


This comment - contradicting its own self.

Foolish not to start Rattler/odds are he isnt the guy.

Classic.
Posted by ChestRockwell
In the heart of horse country
Member since Jul 2021
7059 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 5:35 pm to
Like I said last night. Live or die by the sword. Drafted for a reason. What you think cocky time? S Carolina qbs in the NFL never pan out. Garcia, spent too much time at the bar, and Todd Ellis was a deer in the headlights back in the day vs LSU in the Gator Bowl.
Posted by joe8 7
Thibodaux, LA
Member since Nov 2005
834 posts
Posted on 8/18/25 at 7:04 pm to
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You took him in the 2nd and guaranteed him $10M. Shough absolutely needs to start and play as much as possible this year so you know with certainty if you'll need to take a QB in round 1.


That’s under $3 million/year. In comparison, they paid Jameis Winston over $10 million/year to ride the bench.
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
6393 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 9:22 am to
Maybe. Maybe Chris Simms can go frick himself.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
34163 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:23 am to
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I truly don’t get the “let’s start Rattler for the first few games then let Shough play”. If it’s this close of a competition you give Shough the shot to show this team he’s the guy. We’re gonna be really bad this year and qb is in play next year.


I'm not advocating for the Saints to start Rattler for the first few games. I'm just saying I think that's what they will do. We view things from a fan's POV. That is we want to see who the best guy may be without much regard for the results. For Moore, he owes an obligation to his players to try to win games. If there is little separation between the two QBs, then most coaches will lean on experience. Rattler has NFL starting experience. Shough doesn't. If after the first few games Rattler isn't good and the Saints aren't winning, then there would be no harm in making a change.

quote:

I know what we have in Rattler and that is a mediocre backup qb with one hell of an arm.


That may ultimately be the case. But the variables that existed at the time you made that decision aren't the same as they are now. Namely, that was last season under a completely difference coaching staff, and in many of his starts the OL was injured and the availability of his top pass catchers was spotty.

There is really no "good" option. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But I can understand why a new HC might lean towards experience to start the season.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73965 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:14 pm to
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This comment - contradicting its own self.

Foolish not to start Rattler/odds are he isnt the guy.

Classic.


I can see how it’s a hard concept for you to grasp

Odds are shough isn’t a guy either. We just won’t play a QB bc they all probably suck
Posted by dcw7g
Member since Dec 2003
2231 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:24 pm to
In a perfect world you could let Rattler start the first 4 to 6 games and then bring Shough in when the team is more settled and the schedule is easier, and perhaps the pressure is off because we're 1-5. That's why most teams have journeyman vet like Jacoby Brisset around in these situations, someone who expects to be benched eventually for the draft pick. The Saints have made it weird by basically having two rookies, both of whom have at least some potential.
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
3261 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:38 pm to
Neither Shough or Rattler is playing light out above the other. Why name a starter beyond the one that will start the first game.

Moore is going a bit non-conforming so far so why not just say the QB play will be fluid for a few weeks into the season. Give one QB the initial nod but let it be known that if the offense seems to be struggling, he will not be frozen from trying the other QB. Name a QB weekly if needed until there iss clear separation as to who drives the offense best.

My logic says this removes the pressure on the QB and also the negative impact on the player psychology if he does get pulled during a game.
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