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re: Chances We Draft a WR in Rd. 1
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:18 pm to bayoutiger7
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:18 pm to bayoutiger7
#2 CB may be our biggest need, but it doesn't look like a good value at 13.
It's looking like Juneyah will miss little to no time, which drops the need for an edge rusher. Plus, of those highly rated edge rushers, Gregory, Ray, and Beasley are all a bit undersized for a 4 DL weakside DE. We don't really run THAT much 3-4.
Scherff probably won't be available. No other interior OL is really worth the pick at 13, though La'el Collins's 40 time could have Payton drooling with how often he runs screens. La'el looks like he can really pull out and get down field to block. I still think that he could be had in the 20's.
Leonard Williams and Danny Shelton are most likely off the board.
So that leaves us trading down (which we never do in the 1st), reaching for a player, or going with a combo of best player available and need. WR is still definitely a need. Colston is almost done. Stills and Cooks are definitely promising, explosive players, but neither fits the #1 WR mold that can win jump balls and outmuscle press CB's off the line. Many of us have assumed that Cooper was the clear cut #1 WR, probably because we've all seen him play more than we've seen White and Parker. But those latter two have their proponents, and there may not be a significant talent difference between them.
If Payton has a choice of a WR that he thinks will be a stud, a DE/OLB that he thinks will be really good, and a solid but unspectacular OG/C/CB, I can guarantee you that he'll go WR. With the way that this draft will likely shake up in the top 12 + our reluctance to trade down early in the draft, I'd put our chances at drafting a WR at around 50%. I just think that White and Parker are better players than the likes of Bud Dupree, Collins, and Waynes.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 2:19 pm
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:41 pm to 3HourTour
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100% if Amari is there
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:44 pm to THRILLHO
If Amari or White happens to fall to us, you either draft them or trade back. (Unless someone else that fits a greater need happens to be available as well)
FA for holes, draft highest rated player, unless you have absolutely zero need. We don't have a Cooper or a White in the WR core. No one really close to the type of receivers they are. I couldn't hate it despite how much I want the pick to be LB,CB, or OL.
FA for holes, draft highest rated player, unless you have absolutely zero need. We don't have a Cooper or a White in the WR core. No one really close to the type of receivers they are. I couldn't hate it despite how much I want the pick to be LB,CB, or OL.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:46 pm to THRILLHO
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THRILLHO
Good assessment. I know we have other glaring needs, but I'm surprised how much the need for a #1 is being downplayed, especially with Colston's status in the air.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:48 pm to mm2316
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the need for a #1 is being downplayed
you think we drafted cooks to be a #2?
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:10 pm to bayoutiger7
So much depends on other factors. If there actually are 5 pass rushers taken, Shaq Thompson, Danny Shelton, and both La'el Collins and Brandon Schreff?
I could see us taking whoever of DeVante Parker, Kevin White (my favorite), or Amari Cooper that's there.
I could see us taking whoever of DeVante Parker, Kevin White (my favorite), or Amari Cooper that's there.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:14 pm to Chad504boy
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you think we drafted cooks to be a #2?
This has been debated before, but Cooks could still be our best receiver and not warrant the "#1 WR" role. That tag is usually what people mean when they say a WR who can run every route and who plays outside. Cooks is not that guy. Graham is not that guy as he plays mostly inside. You can't have all your best guys on the inside or DBs can clog your routes. It's easier to guard two inside guys than two outside guys. That is why you need a good outside guy to complement your inside WRs. That spreads the DBs out and allows for easier 1 on 1 matchups. We still need someone serviceable on the outside.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:15 pm to Chad504boy
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you think we drafted cooks to be a #2?
Although I used the term #1 WR as well, I think it's a dumb term as you will never see it on a team's depth chart/roster. I liked, and still like the selection of Cooks, but we do need a big target at WR on the outside. You can call Cooks a #2 if you want, but I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing in our offense.
Eta: Higgs pretty much nailed what I meant in regards to a "#1" WR.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:23 pm to Eman5805
No way Shaq goes that high. I think that his position in the NFL is up in the air. He looks like he'd be really valuable as a Tampa-2 Mike (which are asked to frequently cover deep middle), but I'm not sure how many teams run the Tampa 2 right now. Chicago and obviously Tampa have fairly recently, but IIRC Tampa no longer does and Chicago is going to a 3-4.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:28 pm to THRILLHO
Agree with Shaq. I think realistically, we're looking at one of Dupree/Gregory/Shelton, La'El or #1 CB as potential picks at 13. Like I said I wholeheartedly believe Cooper and White are well gone by 13, leaving us with Strong or Parker and I don't think either is worth pick 13, at least for the Saints.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:33 pm to bayoutiger7
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Chances We Draft a WR in Rd. 1
zero
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:33 pm to higgsBoson
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but Cooks could still be our best receiver and not warrant the "#1 WR" role.
This. See: Randall Cobb. Except ignoring Nelson.
Also Welker and Edelman with NE. Percy Harvin for the brief period that he was good. And Cruz before he got hurt and ODB became the Anthony Davis of the NFL. You don't want to match Cooks or Stills up against the elite CB's in the NFL. You need someone that can win the occasional jump ball and outmuscle the likes of Sherman, Peterson, Revis, etc... Both Stills and Cooks, along with Graham have the making of a fantastic group of receivers, but we need a Colston replacement to make those manly, back shoulder first down catches. If they can also stretch the field (like each of Cooper/White/Parker can do), that's a huge plus.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:45 pm to Lester Earl
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zero
So you think that they would go with an inferior player at a need position over a WR if they thought the WR was the better player? I think the "OMG JUST DRAFT TEH BPA" strategy that many here boast is ridiculous and not representative of how GMs and coaches think. But there's no way that you can say that Colston is currently better than a slightly above average player right now (at best), and he only has a year or two left.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:48 pm to bayoutiger7
kinda hard to guess without knowing what moves we'll make before the draft.
if they patched up the secondary by picking up a corner and picked up a center/ guard then yeah... maybe there could be a slight chance.
I never would have guessed us picking Meachem a few years ago with Colston and Devery Henderson already on board.
but if we did pick White or Cooper somehow I'd be like.... holy shite!!!!
in a good way.
if they patched up the secondary by picking up a corner and picked up a center/ guard then yeah... maybe there could be a slight chance.
I never would have guessed us picking Meachem a few years ago with Colston and Devery Henderson already on board.
but if we did pick White or Cooper somehow I'd be like.... holy shite!!!!
in a good way.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:57 pm to LooseCannon22282
I would love to get strong in the 2nd
Posted on 2/23/15 at 4:00 pm to LooseCannon22282
I think people are overlooking Parker. He put up 43/850/5 in six (!) games last season, including assraping 3 legit defenses in NC State, Florida State, and UGA.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 4:15 pm to THRILLHO
i'm guilty of not knowing much about the WR class this year. I didn't watch as much college football on TV this year because I got season tickets to South Alabama games.
Not really all that exciting.
but I like to go to games instead of watching one from a bar or at home and posting on the computer at the same time. Gotta start switching it up.
I really like Beasley and Danny Shelton but I don't know if we'll have a shot there.
Not really all that exciting.
but I like to go to games instead of watching one from a bar or at home and posting on the computer at the same time. Gotta start switching it up.
I really like Beasley and Danny Shelton but I don't know if we'll have a shot there.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 4:21 pm to LooseCannon22282
I'd say that there's a 90% chance that Beasley is available, and 5% chance that Shelton is. Shelton really looks like the best player in the draft to me, but most mocks have him going around 7 (Chicago has a desperate need for a DT). DT isn't a huge need for us, but if we can find the cap space to sign a legit #2CB, and we feel comfortable with our guard situation, I would be OK with trading our 1+3+4/5 to get him. He'll have a similar impact to what Aaron Donald did last year as a rookie.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 4:35 pm to THRILLHO
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I'd say that there's a 90% chance that Beasley is available, and 5% chance that Shelton is
I actually think we have a better chance of getting Shelton vs Beasley. The production was there for Beasley. The big question marks were his size, speed and strength which he put to rest big time with his combine performance. I'll be very surprised if Beasley gets past Atlanta at 8. Meanwhile Shelton, while the tape/production is there, left a lot to be desired with his perceived elite athletiscm for his size/position. Now I'll be the first to tell you putting too much stock in the combine can be dangerous. But when the questions that need answers are about size, strength and athletiscm (two things regarding Beasley and Shelton) it can be a solid tool. I'm interested to see both of their pro days.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 5:39 pm to THRILLHO
Hey I've been driving the train about our WR corps for 2 off seasons now. But we can't take one in the 1st 2 years in a row, especially with all the guys that were found outside the 1st Rd last year. This is another deep class. We have holes we have to fill on D or OL. I say with confidence zero chance. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong
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