re: Carr is currently the #4 qb in rating in the league.

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This analogy is basing his contract value as a comparison to what QBs were getting paid when Drew was still in the league. These contracts have gotten crazy the past few years.

To put in perspective, Carr's average cap hit is $37.5M and has him as the 18th highest paid QB in the league.

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This. He’s paid less than most starting QBs in the league and just over some rookies.

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Player TotalValue Avg./Year
Dak Prescott $240,000,000 $60,000,000
Joe Burrow $275,000,000 $55,000,000
Jordan Love $220,000,000 $55,000,000
Trevor Lawrence $275,000,000 $55,000,000
Tua Tagovailoa $212,400,000 $53,100,000
Jared Goff $212,000,000 $53,000,000
Justin Herbert $262,500,000 $52,500,000
Lamar Jackson $260,000,000 $52,000,000
Jalen Hurts $255,000,000 $51,000,000
Kyler Murray $230,500,000 $46,100,000
Deshaun Watson $230,000,000 $46,000,000
Kirk Cousins $180,000,000 $45,000,000
Patrick Mahomes $450,000,000 $45,000,000
Josh Allen $258,000,000 $43,000,000
Matt Stafford $160,000,000 $40,000,000
Daniel Jones $160,000,000 $40,000,000
Aaron Rodgers $112,500,000 $37,500,000
Derek Carr $150,000,000 $37,500,000
Baker Mayfield $100,000,000 $33,333,333
Geno Smith $75,000,000 $25,000,000
Gardner Minshew $25,000,000 $12,500,000
Sam Darnold $10,000,000 $10,000,000
Caleb Williams $39,486,058 $9,871,515
Bryce Young $37,955,074 $9,488,769
Jayden Daniels $37,746,650 $9,436,663
Drake Maye $36,639,764 $9,159,941
C.J. Stroud $36,279,246 $9,069,812
Zach Wilson $35,150,680 $8,787,695
Trey Lance $34,105,258 $8,526,315

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Over The Cap

I completely understand what you are saying, but when you look at the list Suntiger posted you see that there are only 4 veteran QBs with an average less than Carr's. Loomis & DA gambled on Carr so they could avoid rotating vet QBs. Even if you do not like the QB they tried it with, I can respect the fact that they tried to do something.

DA was properly awarded based on the results of that gamble. The question is does Gayle give Loomis the same treatment at the end of the year, or does he get saved to make at least 1 more bold move because he got it right with Payton & Brees.

You need context when examining QB contracts. It’s more nuanced than he makes X compared to the rest of the QB

He will take up the most cap on the Saints in 2025 at 19% the cap. Next closest guy on the roster is at 11%. He jumps to 21% in ‘26, with the next closest at 9%. Derek Carr. Who gives a frick with his cap hit is compared to other QBs? We are talking about what’s best for this team. There’s QBs who deserve the money, teams with less dead money, teams with better cap situations etc. We are none of those.

We had (at the time of signing) and now have going forward, minimal wiggle room to add impact players. But we chose a QB who needs good WRs - you’re two best guys are 6’ 185 lbs finesse WRs (small -now hurt, no depth). Now we have guys off the street there. Two of your TEs are converted from another position. He needs a sturdy OL with depth to fill in bc he pisses his pants under duress.. So by paying him (he was the 10th highest paid QB at the time of original signing I believe) you basically relegate your ability to add impact talent to the draft.

Would it make more sense to find a cheaper bridge QB, which would allow you a little more spending in FA? Or would you rather be up against with Carr with no resources to spend on other talent around him. Both options aren’t winning you a ring, but one allows you flexibility when it comes to rebuilding a roster and possibly finding the QB of the future.

Love DC4

He threw a pick on what couldve been the game winning drive

Imagine wearing the “game winning drive” badge with honor when your defense shuts out the Eagles for three quarters and all you can muster is 3 points


I’ve never seen people make so many excuses for a QB

I admit I had never paid much attention to him before he came to the Saints so he may be alright.
Is it wrong if I just don’t like his fricking Eddie Munster looking face. He talks too dam much also. All talk and meh action.

People who make every excuse for Carr are no better than the ones who say he’s the worst in the league

Win/Loss says who you are, at the end of the day. The onus is on Carr to prove he can win. He’s 11 years in and has the 6th most starts amongst active QBs

Serious question - from 2014 to 2016 was Brees a good qb? I say he was despite going 21-26. I don't think he was better in 2017 to 2020 while he went 41-13; I just think his supporting cast got much better.

And no, I'm not saying Carr is Brees, but if supporting cast matters for a player the magnitude of brees, why not Carr?

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Imagine blaming Carr because the Saints have over $40 mil tied up in players that are no longer on the roster. That’s why the percentages are the way they are, not because Carr is the 18th highest paid QB in the league. ETA: And that’s not even including Ram or Lattimore now.

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Agreed this is on Loomis. But why even waste money on Carr when hes not helping you win and still hurting your cap. Just walk away. There was no reason for us to sign Carr and then extend him as well. It was ill advised on many fronts.