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Cap Numbers all in one chart
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:24 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:24 am
A lot of misunderstanding/misinfo out there about the cap, so I pulled together a bunch of the options from OTC
Some general info:
- The team has to be cap compliant when the new league year opens on March 12. So Post June 1 cuts, while useful, are not going to help with that because you don't get the space until June 2
- The 2025 cap number is a projection, so there is a chance we could get a little bit of relief when the official cap number comes out
- To save you from having to do the math...we could actually, literally, cut the whole roster and not be compliant. Therefore the team must do restructures.
- Expounding on the above, if we do not restructure Carr (keep him and do nothing, or cut him in either way), we will have to restructure almost every other notable contract to get just under the cap
- Early estimates say we will need around $12M in cap space for our draft picks as well
- Obviously none of this is accounting yet for retirements or extensions that could make some of this easier
Some general info:
- The team has to be cap compliant when the new league year opens on March 12. So Post June 1 cuts, while useful, are not going to help with that because you don't get the space until June 2
- The 2025 cap number is a projection, so there is a chance we could get a little bit of relief when the official cap number comes out
- To save you from having to do the math...we could actually, literally, cut the whole roster and not be compliant. Therefore the team must do restructures.
- Expounding on the above, if we do not restructure Carr (keep him and do nothing, or cut him in either way), we will have to restructure almost every other notable contract to get just under the cap
- Early estimates say we will need around $12M in cap space for our draft picks as well
- Obviously none of this is accounting yet for retirements or extensions that could make some of this easier
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 11:35 am
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Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:33 am to Rand AlThor
I’m not even mad at Carr’s cap number.
It is Jordan Hill, Ruiz, and Matheu that are too high.
It is Jordan Hill, Ruiz, and Matheu that are too high.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:35 am to Rand AlThor
Why the hell would someone downvote this work? Thanks man. 
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 11:36 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:36 am to VA LSU fan
That Cam extension looks like egregious malpractice at this point
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:38 am to Rand AlThor
Man this team is fricked
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:14 pm to Geauxing for 3
Since we know Cam will retire a saint, ask him to spread that contract out.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 1:30 pm to Rand AlThor
The Cap number is the hard number no matter how you look at it. The org can do all the tricks to move the numbers around but, at the end of the day that cap number has to get pushed out to future years. There is no trick that simply erases that number from the teams cap count other than pushing it further out, without taking on more new future cap. The goal is to have the dead cap become less and less over the 2026 and 2027.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 1:41 pm to fwtex
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The goal is to have the dead cap become less and less over the 2026 and 2027.
Well this started in like 2014 and it feels like that's been the goal for the entire time we've pulled this shite.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:17 pm to Rand AlThor
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- The team has to be cap compliant when the new league year opens on March 12. So Post June 1 cuts, while useful, are not going to help with that because you don't get the space until June 2
This part is where it gets tough. And why we will probably need to restructure a couple of these with the understanding that some will either be traded or cut down the road.
It's not ideal but I suspect they can find a way to restructure that will allow us to be past the cap hell in 2026 or 2027 at the latest. The issue was the way we previously restructured thinking we were just a few pieces away from seriously competing, I know we love to blame Mickey Loomis but I think Sean Payton then Dennis Allen had as much or more to do with that. If we now restructure with an eye toward rebuilding, we should be in a good position by 2027, maybe even reasonably good in 2026. 2025 is probably a lost season.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:19 pm to Rand AlThor
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Therefore the team must do restructures.
Nope nope nope.
Cut first then restructure. We are rolling with Carr for one more year then he gets cut as well
Some of the big contracts with older players have to go, TM7 is a perfect example.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:33 pm to mdomingue
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down the road.
I just cant believe a smart young coach is going this route. Easy to kick the can with DA but I dont think Moore goes that route.
Everyone can see including Ray Charles that next year you just do the best you can but brace for 4 or 5 wins. Start cutting big contracts now and hope for a productive draft to fill some of those holes. Its not magic, the Rams can do it, Chiefs can do it, Detroit has done it.
Let Moore and his staff ramrod the draft. That should be attractive to Loomis because it gives him deniability.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:37 pm to Lakeboy7
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We are rolling with Carr for one more year then he gets cut as well
I don't think this is likely possible.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:25 pm to Lakeboy7
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Start cutting big contracts now
There is virtually no way for the Saints to get under the cap this way. Maybe with trades but a lot of those numbers will be hard for other teams to swallow for the aging guys who have those contracts.
What you do is let the new coach get in place and look at what he has then start making your moves in conjunction with what he sees his path forward is. I can almost guarantee that it will involve some restructuring to spread out the costs of a few players who will then be cut or moved after June 1st. If you cut players, particularly the big contracts, I don't think there is any way to end up under the cap by March. We have lots of room in 2026 forward. This is how you get out from under in a reasonable amount of time. At least that is my understanding.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:44 pm to St Augustine
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Why the hell would someone downvote this work? Thanks man.
Because it shows we’re fricked. To a pumper who is in denial, a downvote to the messenger is cathartic.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 5:08 pm to Lakeboy7
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Nope nope nope. Cut first then restructure.
Brother. Read. Pull your calculator out. There are almost no cuts to make that give positive cap this year. This isn’t an option. Cap compliance is a requirement.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 5:10 pm to mdomingue
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If you cut players, particularly the big contracts, I don't think there is any way to end up under the cap by March
You are right. Literally, do the exercise. Add up the entire column for the pre June 1 cuts. The whole roster. You are still well short of compliance. The team LITERALLY has no choice but to restructure a lot of their deals unless half of the roster retires or takes pay cuts.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 6:06 pm to Rand AlThor
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Literally, do the exercise
Ok, I did the math...and I dont like the result.
Nobody is taking a pay cut nor should we expect them to;
1 or 2 outright retirements? probably not enough to move the needle. This roster is so bad why retire when you have time on your contract;
Its just maddening to have to restructure guys that are dogshit.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 6:19 pm to Lakeboy7
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Ok, I did the math...and I dont like the result.
Nobody is taking a pay cut nor should we expect them to;
1 or 2 outright retirements? probably not enough to move the needle. This roster is so bad why retire when you have time on your contract;
Its just maddening to have to restructure guys that are dogshit.
Completely agree with you now. I think Ramcyzk will retire, but I'm not sure about the mechanics of the cap there with how he re-did his deal, so I'm not banking on any relief with that one.
The big one - to me - the problem one - is Carr. If you decide not to restructure Carr (or if you cut him - basically no difference until June) you basically have to restructure every other unfriendly deal on the roster to get compliant, and even then you have ZERO breathing room. Which is why, unfortunately, I think they are going to restructure Carr, and Mickey was bullshitting us in his presser about "all options being on the table" - unless they have some magic bullets in the chamber.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 6:59 pm to Rand AlThor
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I think Ramcyzk will retire
Yeah that was reported as fact (or I heard it that way) locally.
He took a long payout and cap savings was approximately 10 mil. 60 down to 50, does that sound right?
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Mickey was bullshitting us in his presser about "all options being on the table" .
The local take is Mickey is trying to get Carr to take a pay cut. Carr said no but happy to restructure. Probably the only option.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:22 am to Rand AlThor
Bumping this since there's some more talk about cap stuff going on and this is more relevant than ever with league year flip coming up
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