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re: BPA vs "need"
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:06 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:06 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Morestead was clearly need
Tracy Porter
Sed Ellis
malcom jenkins
roman harper
thomas morestead
carl nicks
jahri evans
But who says Ellis, Jenkins, Harper, Nicks, and Evans werent the BPA on the Saints board when they drafted them?
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:06 pm to EmperorGout
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Nicks wasn't a need pick, we already had an established starter in Nesbit and people were upset about the pick for that very reason
nobody was mad about nicks. he was a late round, boom/bust guy. major athlete with major character problems
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:06 pm to EmperorGout
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we already had an established starter in Nesbi
uh, no.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
To be fair, we traded up for Pittman
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:07 pm to EmperorGout
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Nicks wasn't a need pick, we already had an established starter in Nesbit and people were upset about the pick for that very reason
he was a 5th round pick, we needed OL depth at that point. He was also saw as a guy that could play RT
Nesbit gets suspended, and Nicks started 12 games as a rookie. The rest is history.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:08 pm to GynoSandberg
Payton also took over a team that was 3-13. Interestingly enough, just about every position had a need. We won the fricking Super Bowl. Of course we still have needs but no where near the amount in '06 -'09.
We also do not know how our in house players compare to the players on the board in the eyes of our coaching staff.
We need to get used to these kinds of drafts. This is exactly how the Colts, Pats, and Steelers draft.
We also do not know how our in house players compare to the players on the board in the eyes of our coaching staff.
We need to get used to these kinds of drafts. This is exactly how the Colts, Pats, and Steelers draft.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:08 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:Yes Nesbit was the clear starter until he got suspended. Nicks came in and it was clear he was just the better player
uh, no.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:08 pm to Roaad
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To be fair, we traded up for Pittman
yup
we had a need at RB with bush sucking
we found our starter in the undrafted ranks that year
This post was edited on 4/24/10 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:09 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
anyone remember Antonio Pittman????
Yea, beaten out by an undrafed free agent- Pierre Thomas...the rest is history...
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:09 pm to eyeran
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But who says Ellis, Jenkins, Harper, Nicks, and Evans werent the BPA on the Saints board when they drafted them?
i think thats far too many players to be coincidence
Ellis was traded up to get.
Jenkins was taken when our DBs were "in shambles" before last season
Harper, clearly a need
Evans started as a rookie
Nicks started as a rookie and was taken for depth in the 5th round
its pretty obvious it was need. Need+VALUE. good strategy
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:10 pm to GynoSandberg
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uh, no.
:lol:Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:11 pm to mark65mc
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Payton also took over a team that was 3-13. Interestingly enough, just about every position had a need.
our roster wasn't that bad, and we addressed many of our needs in FA
we went 13-3 that year and still kept drafting for needs in 2007 (we had a shitty draft that year)
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This is exactly how the Colts, Pats, and Steelers draft.
they run unique systems and their values are different than most other values in the NFL
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:11 pm to eyeran
quote:
Nesbit was the clear starter
nesbit sucked and everyone knew that
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:11 pm to mark65mc
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Payton also took over a team that was 3-13. Interestingly enough, just about every position had a need. We won the fricking Super Bowl. Of course we still have needs but no where near the amount in '06 -'09.
This is EXACTLY my point.
that strategy worked out so well, and yes, we had some holes, but look at where we are now!!!!!!!
why not patch the other holes or at least add depth on the defensive side of the ball and build up that unit???? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh(loud scream lol)
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:11 pm to Lester Earl
I'm still a bit confused how Nicks was a "need" pick for "depth," which is what you don't like about this entire draft
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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until this year the saints always drafted for need
I didn't say don't DRAFT for need, I said don't REACH for need. Usama was probably a reach, I don't remember too many other guys we've drafted where the immediate consensus here was we went too early on a player.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:13 pm to Lester Earl
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even 2nd round picks like Usama Young, i didnt even mention. He was a need pick.
Demarrio Pressely in the 3rd round.
anyone remember Antonio Pittman???? BPA pick
I don't understand. Are you using Usama Young and Demario Pressley as examples of need picks that were successful?
As for Pittmsn, I'm not sure what your point is. Are you suggesting that Pittman wouldn't have busted if we had a stronger need? That's counterintuitive.
The bottom line is BPA will fail if you do a poor job is evaluating the players (i.e. Pittman). Drafting for need will fail if you continuously reach for players and don't get maximum value out of your draft picks.
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
We did sign a bunch of band aid players in FA, outside of Brees.
We finished 10-6 the next year with a gimmick D. See Gary Gibbs 07 and 08.
And this doesn't describe where we are and are going as a franchise?
We finished 10-6 the next year with a gimmick D. See Gary Gibbs 07 and 08.
quote:
they run unique systems and their values are different than most other values in the NFL
And this doesn't describe where we are and are going as a franchise?
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:13 pm to EmperorGout
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I'm still a bit confused how Nicks was a "need" pick
he was a need pick b/c we had 1 starting-caliber OG (evans)
Posted on 4/24/10 at 1:14 pm to TigerinATL
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I don't remember too many other guys we've drafted where the immediate consensus here was we went too early on a player.
malcom fricking jenkins
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