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re: Biggest draft needs in order
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:19 am to Snipe
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:19 am to Snipe
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Which is why we were in the situation we were in this season with this lot of DB's..
I'd like to spend a 1st on a CB, but I'm not sure we can do that & also fill our other needs.
I wish we had more draft picks or available cap to spend.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:39 am to GMoney2600
We have a lot of depth at CB and with Jenkins I think we are set. We aren’t elite there but def above average. You aren’t going to get an elite CB at 24. Rankins will return and Onyemata will walk. Tuttle played fantastic this year and deserves more reps. That’s the bad thing about having depth at DL....sometimes you lose it to FA and the FO and staff love Rankins and his leadership too much to let him walk for Onyemata.
The pick has to be interior OL, WR or LB.
- Interior OL because for the last two years this is what has gotten us beat. Average production from the interior against great interior DLs like Rams, Eagles and Vikings have killed Brees and will continue to hinder the offense in playoff games. I wish we would spend our pick here but I doubt we draft someone simply because there are more Tackle and Center prospects than Guard prospects this year. We might draft someone late for depth and competition. We signed Easton long term for a reason and will likely start since he played better than Peat.
- We likely aren’t going to bring back Alonso, and Klein, while I like him, got us beat against the Vikings and 49ers because of his lack of athleticism in defending outside zone runs. It will hurt, but I can see us letting Klein walk. Davis needs help and we can’t rely on Robertson, who shouldn’t be playing first team reps anyway, and Anzalone, who is never healthy. Other than a lockdown CB like a Darrelle Revis (which we aren’t going to find) this is the only way the defense can get better. We need another player of Davis’ caliber here. Someone like Kenneth Murray, who reminds me a ton of Davis, both athletically and his ability to cover and blitz/pass rush effectively.
- Realistically, the pick should be WR but there are so many WR needy teams ahead of us, Jets, Raiders, Broncos, Bills, Patriots will snag the top prospects and there’s so much depth at the position that I can see us waiting until around 3 honestly. Our FO does a good job of picking areas of need but also drafting talent. It might piss some people off but Murray will probably be the best player on the board and it might be who we draft. Plus, we almost always wait on wide receivers anyway.
The pick has to be interior OL, WR or LB.
- Interior OL because for the last two years this is what has gotten us beat. Average production from the interior against great interior DLs like Rams, Eagles and Vikings have killed Brees and will continue to hinder the offense in playoff games. I wish we would spend our pick here but I doubt we draft someone simply because there are more Tackle and Center prospects than Guard prospects this year. We might draft someone late for depth and competition. We signed Easton long term for a reason and will likely start since he played better than Peat.
- We likely aren’t going to bring back Alonso, and Klein, while I like him, got us beat against the Vikings and 49ers because of his lack of athleticism in defending outside zone runs. It will hurt, but I can see us letting Klein walk. Davis needs help and we can’t rely on Robertson, who shouldn’t be playing first team reps anyway, and Anzalone, who is never healthy. Other than a lockdown CB like a Darrelle Revis (which we aren’t going to find) this is the only way the defense can get better. We need another player of Davis’ caliber here. Someone like Kenneth Murray, who reminds me a ton of Davis, both athletically and his ability to cover and blitz/pass rush effectively.
- Realistically, the pick should be WR but there are so many WR needy teams ahead of us, Jets, Raiders, Broncos, Bills, Patriots will snag the top prospects and there’s so much depth at the position that I can see us waiting until around 3 honestly. Our FO does a good job of picking areas of need but also drafting talent. It might piss some people off but Murray will probably be the best player on the board and it might be who we draft. Plus, we almost always wait on wide receivers anyway.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:46 am to WicKed WayZ
We could draft an OT that can also play LG. He would also be Armstead's eventual replacement.
Basically try & find the guy that Peat was supposed to be.
Also, Janoris Jenkins would have to restructure to play here in 2020...don't you think? 11.25 mil is kind of steep for a #2 CB.
Basically try & find the guy that Peat was supposed to be.
Also, Janoris Jenkins would have to restructure to play here in 2020...don't you think? 11.25 mil is kind of steep for a #2 CB.
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 10:50 am
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:56 am to GMoney2600
I fully expect them to extend Jenkins to move his cap number way down. Likely in the $2-4 million range.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:04 am to WicKed WayZ
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The pick has to be interior OL, WR or LB.
This is where I am as well. I would like us to resign Peat with the intentions of having him and Easton as the backups. Between the 2, we should be able to support all 5 positions. But, we need to find someone reliable to start at LG.
WR: Draft is way too deep not to grab someone in the 3rd or 4th.
LB: We need reliable starters. Klein, Anzalone, Alonzo (before 1+ year long injury), Robertson… have all done well in spurts; but can not be relied on week in-week out.
Dline: Can never have too many. Especially with some difficult decisions to make the next 1-2 years.
Edit: Forgot to add QB. This is the big mystery for those outside of the lockerroom. Does Brees come back and buy us another 2 years to fix? Is Taysom the future? If Brees hangs them up, do they bring Teddy back? Does Tua fall to around 20?
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 11:05 am
Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:18 am to Weekend Warrior79
We need to make a trade with Chargers for Kennan Allen to be our #2WR
Coach Harris up to be a slot guy (Eldeman, Wes Welker, Cole Beasley)
Draft a young stud LB that can cover Sideline to sideline
Draft DL Depth
Retire Brees, Start Teddy, keep Taysom and draft Tua (3T's)
Coach Harris up to be a slot guy (Eldeman, Wes Welker, Cole Beasley)
Draft a young stud LB that can cover Sideline to sideline
Draft DL Depth
Retire Brees, Start Teddy, keep Taysom and draft Tua (3T's)
Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:41 am to Weekend Warrior79
Agreed on WR & LB. I think most others are looking at QB the same way as well.
I think someone will offer Peat more than we're willing to pay. There are some VERY bad O-Lines around the league. He'll probably be a starter somewhere else next year imo. A few teams could use him at LT.
I agree if Rankins doesn't come back 100%. If he does though...we're pretty set already imo. It would be hard to add a legit piece to the D-Line when other positions are much more barren. Maybe 1 guy on the D-Line at most.
DT's under contract in 2020
Sheldon Rankins
Malcom Brown
Mario Edwards - plays DE as well
Shy Tuttle
Taylor Stallworth
DE's under contract in 2020
Cam Jordan
Marcus Davenport
Trey Hendrickson
Carl Granderson - High ceiling
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I would like us to resign Peat with the intentions of having him and Easton as the backups.
I think someone will offer Peat more than we're willing to pay. There are some VERY bad O-Lines around the league. He'll probably be a starter somewhere else next year imo. A few teams could use him at LT.
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Dline: Can never have too many. Especially with some difficult decisions to make the next 1-2 years.
I agree if Rankins doesn't come back 100%. If he does though...we're pretty set already imo. It would be hard to add a legit piece to the D-Line when other positions are much more barren. Maybe 1 guy on the D-Line at most.
DT's under contract in 2020
Sheldon Rankins
Malcom Brown
Mario Edwards - plays DE as well
Shy Tuttle
Taylor Stallworth
DE's under contract in 2020
Cam Jordan
Marcus Davenport
Trey Hendrickson
Carl Granderson - High ceiling
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 11:56 am
Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:46 am to WicKed WayZ
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I fully expect them to extend Jenkins to move his cap number way down. Likely in the $2-4 million range.
That would be damn sweet. 8-9 mil of more cap space.
I would think that we would also keep at least 1 of PJ, PRob, & Apple as well.
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:46 am to LaTexSaint
OU Murray LB
But more likely OL
Wildcard- Eason or Herbert. 2 good arms
But more likely OL
Wildcard- Eason or Herbert. 2 good arms
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:05 pm to GMoney2600
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We could draft an OT that can also play LG. He would also be Armstead's eventual replacement.
Basically try & find the guy that Peat was supposed to be.
All of this!
Let them play OG then move over to OT when Armstead gets injured and in a few years move them to OT when Armstead leaves or retires.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:08 pm to Suntiger
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Let them play OG then move over to OT when Armstead gets injured and in a few years move them to OT when Armstead leaves or retires.
If Easton is on the roster in 2020...he could slide into LG in the event of an injury to Armstead.
It's the 1st time I've thought about it, but it does make a whole lot of sense for the present & future. Almost too much sense.
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:10 pm to YoubeHillin
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How are you guys able to move on so quickly
The outcome of sporting events do not control my day. It may affect my mood during the game, but by the end of the game I have so much other stuff in my life that I just move on to the next thing.
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discussing draft needs only a day after
This board has been discussing draft needs since the bye week. Also, the season is over, so other than not visiting this board, what else would we discuss here?
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absolute heartbreaker
IMO, this game did not qualify as a heartbreaker. Rams and the game in Minny definitely did; but this one was a shite show after the FG drive following the first TO.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:10 pm to LaTexSaint
Are you living in reality?
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:19 pm to GMoney2600
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I agree if Rankins doesn't come back 100%. If he does though...we're pretty set already imo
Well, you pretty much have to assume he won't be available for any playoff run, even if he starts the season 100%... since that's pretty much his MO. Does that mean we are set there? I don't really think so.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:23 pm to Laaz2750
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Does that mean we are set there? I don't really think so.
Good point. Onyemata would be nice if the price is right.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:25 pm to LaTexSaint
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We need to make a trade with Chargers for Kennan Allen to be our #2WR
Do you know what it would take to get him? The Chargers wouldn’t just give him up. He’s one of the most underrated receivers in the league.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:29 pm to TutHillTiger
#2WR
OG
DT
LB
QB is whenever they want.
OG
DT
LB
QB is whenever they want.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:55 pm to TutHillTiger
WR:
I think we need a #2 and slot WR. People talk about Ginn being too fast for Drew to throw him the ball, but he is not very good at tracking the ball and/or winning 1-1 battles. We need a guy that can win contested throws and Ginn doesn't even appear to even try to win those battles. Smith is a situational/#4 WR at best. I am not impressed with his development.
OG:
Peat is an absolute liability. He has terrible feet and lunges at defenders. The Vikings lined up a DE over him and Peat got smoked. We could use another quality swing tackle too. I don't know how he wasn't pulled at halftime during the Vikings game.
Safety:
We get beat on too many deep balls with either long completions or PI. I was trying to give Williams a chance, but I would like to see us upgrade him. He has not progressed well. Maybe we move CGJ to safety, but he is more of a Von Bell type.
LBer:
I would like to see another rangy fast LBer to pair with Davis. We have some slower guys that we have been plugging in. We basically need a healthy Anzalone type backer.
Dline:
This one is tough because for most of the season, our Dline was a strength. We had 50% of our starters go down and I still think they played well. I don't know how Rankins or Davenport are going to be coming back, so it is hard to gauge this as a need.
I am actually ok with our CBs. I like Lattimore and Jack Rabbit in the edges. I like P-Rob and CGJ in the slot. Maybe some depth here, but I don't see it as a big need. I am ready to move on from PJ. I would resign Apple if it is a reasonable deal for quality depth.
Who knows what they are going to do at QB, so I did not include that, but yea as of now it is a need.
I think we need a #2 and slot WR. People talk about Ginn being too fast for Drew to throw him the ball, but he is not very good at tracking the ball and/or winning 1-1 battles. We need a guy that can win contested throws and Ginn doesn't even appear to even try to win those battles. Smith is a situational/#4 WR at best. I am not impressed with his development.
OG:
Peat is an absolute liability. He has terrible feet and lunges at defenders. The Vikings lined up a DE over him and Peat got smoked. We could use another quality swing tackle too. I don't know how he wasn't pulled at halftime during the Vikings game.
Safety:
We get beat on too many deep balls with either long completions or PI. I was trying to give Williams a chance, but I would like to see us upgrade him. He has not progressed well. Maybe we move CGJ to safety, but he is more of a Von Bell type.
LBer:
I would like to see another rangy fast LBer to pair with Davis. We have some slower guys that we have been plugging in. We basically need a healthy Anzalone type backer.
Dline:
This one is tough because for most of the season, our Dline was a strength. We had 50% of our starters go down and I still think they played well. I don't know how Rankins or Davenport are going to be coming back, so it is hard to gauge this as a need.
I am actually ok with our CBs. I like Lattimore and Jack Rabbit in the edges. I like P-Rob and CGJ in the slot. Maybe some depth here, but I don't see it as a big need. I am ready to move on from PJ. I would resign Apple if it is a reasonable deal for quality depth.
Who knows what they are going to do at QB, so I did not include that, but yea as of now it is a need.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 1:01 pm to Seeker
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People talk about Ginn being too fast for Drew to throw him the ball
That is... quite a take. Have not heard that one, personally
Posted on 1/7/20 at 1:30 pm to Laaz2750
Really? I hear/read it all the time. People always talk about Drew not having a strong enough arm to hit Ginn (or other fast WRs like Cooks) in stride on deep routes. I agree to an extent. I think a QB with a bazooka would be able to throw the ball at a higher/further trajectory and allow a faster receiver to run under the pass.
The issue with Ginn is he don't adjust well to the ball and he isn't good at winning 1-1 battles. Basically if you don't hit Ginn over his shoulder, he isn't a very good WR.
The issue with Ginn is he don't adjust well to the ball and he isn't good at winning 1-1 battles. Basically if you don't hit Ginn over his shoulder, he isn't a very good WR.
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