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re: Backwards Pass?
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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after intentional forward movement of his hand
that's why I'm asking for the definition of forward
it's not forward unless the game considers movements toward the sidelines as forward...up is definitely not forward
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:11 pm to gaetti15
That's why you have to separate it into "pass" and "fumble" categories
I think it was a fumble
However, the call was a pass, and if it's a pass, then that rule applies and it doesn't matter if it goes backwards.
So they made one mistake, but not 2, basically.
I think it was a fumble
However, the call was a pass, and if it's a pass, then that rule applies and it doesn't matter if it goes backwards.
So they made one mistake, but not 2, basically.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Yeah I think it was a fumble.
So, you think if the ball had in fact gone forward, it should have been ruled a fumble?
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:13 pm to moneyg
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So, you think if the ball had in fact gone forward, it should have been ruled a fumble?
No. I don't think it went forward to be a pass and was a fumble.
If it went forward, it would be a pass, and that rule applies. That's how the refs called it
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I think it was a fumble
However, the call was a pass, and if it's a pass, then that rule applies and it doesn't matter if it goes backwards.
So they made one mistake, but not 2, basically.
that's why it gets confusing...the refs got it right in real time, but the New York office got it wrong after review.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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contact by an opponent materially affects the passer, causing the ball to go backward, it is a forward pass
That is definitely a scenario where the defender directly strips the ball out of the passer's forward-moving hand.
This rule has never been used to reach this result. frick the NFL, and you're a cuck for doing their dirty work, you little Benedict Arnold.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No. I don't think it went forward to be a pass and was a fumble.
This makes no sense.
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If it went forward, it would be a pass
It sounds a lot like you are saying it should be called a fumble, even though it doesn't meet the definition of a fumble.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:52 pm to Barbellthor
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That is definitely a scenario where the defender directly strips the ball out of the passer's forward-moving hand.
No. It applies to any hit while throwing.
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This rule has never been used to reach this result.
Week 2 remainders: fumbles become incomplete passes
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Published 12 years ago on September 21, 2014
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In Geno Smith’s case, the only reason the ball went backward was due to the defensive contact. Alex Smith was moving his arm slightly, but in an obvious forward passing motion when viewed on replay. Because the actions of the quarterbacks made the ball a forward pass, both plays were ruled incomplete passes in replay. With the repeal of the Tuck Rule in 2013, the end of a forward motion ends the intention to pass, and not tucking the ball into the body. The next issue for these plays involves intentional grounding, as it was argued that these passes were nowhere near an intended receiver. However, the rules allow the word intentional to have meaning — the actions of both Smiths were intended to be passes to an eligible receiver, and the intentional grounding rules give similar deference to the quarterback as Rule 8-1-1a does to make it incomplete. In this case, if there is no eligible target in the path of the intended pass, the referee can still call intentional grounding. Such a call is rarely made, though, because it is difficult to actually determine what would have happened without the defensive contact.
Even the "intent" stuff is discussed. 12 years ago. This isn't new.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:53 pm to moneyg
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This makes no sense.
You didn't see it as a fumble?
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It sounds a lot like you are saying it should be called a fumble,
I believe it should have been a fumble
But they ruled it wasn't, and I disagree. They ruled it a pass.
Within the scenario of it being a pass, the fact that the ball went backwards is irrelevant as the contact can't turn a pass into a lateral or backwards pass.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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But they ruled it wasn't, and I disagree. They ruled it a pass.
The new york office, not the actual referees at the game. Just to clarify
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You didn't see it as a fumble?
It wasn't a fumble. It was a lateral.
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I believe it should have been a fumble
But they ruled it wasn't, and I disagree. They ruled it a pass.
Within the scenario of it being a pass, the fact that the ball went backwards is irrelevant as the contact can't turn a pass into a lateral or backwards pass.
You are trying to manipulate the rules. It appears to me the rules were correctly applied. It's just a dumb rule that is counter to the way we've seen that play called in the past and the exception doesn't protect anything important from an offensive standpoint while simultaneously removing a benefit of a great play from the defense.
But, it's not a fumble. And, the fact that you think it wouldn't be a fumble if the ball went forward proves it's not a fumble.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 1:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
Nope. It's wrong. We reject it. It doesn't exist, is absurd, against the spirit of the rules. frick the NFL and anyone who would support this gaslighting horse shite.
Also still no intent.
PS: to the extent you're just relaying information, that's fine. Not shooting the messenger, no anger at you. We are, however, metaphorically shooting Goodell with moral indignation arrows in his stupid gay face.
Also still no intent.
PS: to the extent you're just relaying information, that's fine. Not shooting the messenger, no anger at you. We are, however, metaphorically shooting Goodell with moral indignation arrows in his stupid gay face.
This post was edited on 9/14/26 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 9/14/26 at 1:20 pm to moneyg
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It wasn't a fumble. It was a lateral.
the refs on the field ruled it a fumble
which was then overturned by the league office.
This post was edited on 9/14/26 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 9/14/26 at 1:38 pm to moneyg
quote:explain your basis for this belief
It wasn't a fumble. It was a lateral.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 1:49 pm to Neauxla
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explain your basis for this belief
The ball wasn’t dislodged. It was “thrown”.
A lateral is a live ball like a fumble.
The exception in the rulebook is nonsensical.
But it wasn’t a fumble.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 1:58 pm to moneyg
quote:Agree to disagree. His arm/hand was moving upwards, and had not yet reached the height when he would begin to move it forward when Chase Young's arm came crashing down on his arm which caused Goff's arm to whiplash forward with the ball coming out w/o control by Goff.
The ball wasn’t dislodged. It was “thrown”.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 2:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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contact by an opponent materially affects the passer, causing the ball to go backward
Meaning if the QB is throwing it forward but the momentum of the hit causes the ball to fly backwards. We see this often.
That is NOT the case here. Goff was facing the sideline with the trajectory of his throw facing backwards. At no point was his arm ever moving the ball past the LOS.
Now shut up and get back to your game of jacks.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 2:05 pm to Neauxla
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His arm/hand was moving upwards, and had not yet reached the height when he would begin to move it forward when Chase Young's arm came crashing down on his arm which caused Goff's arm to whiplash forward with the ball coming out w/o control by Goff.
100%
Posted on 9/14/26 at 2:09 pm to Midget Death Squad
In the grasp
A sack
A lateral
A fumble
No none of that.
A sack
A lateral
A fumble
No none of that.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 2:16 pm to Neauxla
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His arm/hand was moving upwards, and had not yet reached the height when he would begin to move it forward when Chase Young's arm came crashing down on his arm
100% accurate
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caused Goff's arm to whiplash forward with the ball coming out w/o control by Goff.
I think it’s clear that Goffs arm moved on its own, the ball came out like a pass, and didn’t leave his hand until he released the ball.
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