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re: Attorney for Smith family / Attorney for Hayes l Press Conference Recap
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:04 pm to Sparkplug#1
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:04 pm to Sparkplug#1
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No, I said blocking, not sure if physically blocking. My friend described it as Will and the shooter were still arguing when she went for the gun. He used the term blocking.
did your friend say anything about pt being there? how about any other people being outside of the vehicles including the impala?
we know smith, his wife, smiths passenger, and the 2 guys in the hummer were outside. it must have been a chaotic scene in the small amount of space between the cars parked near the curb and their vehicles... prob not much more than 5 feet.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:04 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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No he may have called. But didn't get an answer We don't know yet
Regardless of whether he called 911 and hung up or it didn't answer, Shooter made the choice to take the matter into his own hands and pursue Smith without even checking to see if his car was damaged in any way. (911 would have told him not to pursue had he actually spoken to them, just like they told George Z.)
So, I'm going to assume that Shooter's a little pissed off because he thinks his prized possession Hummer has been damaged while he was on Magazine Street.
Shooter's driving fast, runs the same red light Smith did because he's trying to keep up. Shooter probably didn't realize that the next block is only 2 blocks long and he overtakes the Mercedes and cannot stop quickly enough, slamming into the back of the Mercedes and pushing it into the Impala not far from the intersection at Felicity.
So in Shooter's mind, he thinks there's damage to the back of the Hummer and knows without a doubt that the front of the Hummer is F'd up. He's got to be thinking it's all Smith's fault.
Shooter gets out of the Hummer at the same time Will Smith gets out the Mercedes and both are pissed off/upset, one, possibly both are impaired (we don't know what Shooter was doing prior to the first video.)
Shouting ensues and it goes south very quickly. If I were car slammed, I guarantee my gut reaction would be pissy, WTF were you doing??? That was probably Will's reaction as his dad said he probably got out of his vehicle with his big mouth. So you have Will pissed that his car was slammed into and Shooter pissed because he thinks Will is responsible for everything.
An aside:
I maintain that Shooter did stop kind of abruptly, almost jerky, maybe even in the longer video that started down by Sake, but I can't find it right now to review it. It did not seem to me that Shooter eased into slowing down. Maybe Shooter just drives like that; maybe he has slow reflexes; maybe he was impaired and possibly Smith was too.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:04 pm to Sparkplug#1
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No, I said blocking, not sure if physically blocking. My friend described it as Will and the shooter were still arguing when she went for the gun. He used the term blocking.
Well, that would be bad
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:06 pm to lsupride87
Why are the Smith's not allowed to retrieve their gun if they thought they were finding themselves in a hostile situation that they began to have fear of what Hayes' possible actions could be if Hayes was threatening to fight them etc? It seems plausible that Will thought he may have needed his gun to de-esculate the situation and possibly wasn't retrieving gun to shoot Hayes.
If you have a lunatic going off on you, Will says honey go get my gun, is that grounds to start shooting at them if you were the initial aggressor. I have my doubts.
If you have a lunatic going off on you, Will says honey go get my gun, is that grounds to start shooting at them if you were the initial aggressor. I have my doubts.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:06 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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No he may have called. But didn't get an answer
We don't know yet
If he called, it should still be logged
I don't buy it for 1 second that his attorney doesn't have his call logs yet.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:07 pm to Red Stick Tigress
quote:First of all, he didnt stop abruptly, at all.
I maintain that Shooter did stop kind of abruptly, almost jerky,
Second of all, that doesnt excuse a hit and run
Third of all, who gives a shite about the hit and run anymore?
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:07 pm to Chad504boy
quote:They do. Thats why I said if sparks friend is right, it will depend on who the witnesses paint as the initial aggressor.
Why are the Smith's not allowed to retrieve their gun if they thought they were finding themselves in a hostile situation that they began to have fear of what Hayes' possible actions could be if Hayes was threatening to fight them etc?
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:08 pm to lsupride87
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First of all, he didnt stop abruptly, at all.
Second of all, that doesnt excuse a hit and run
Third of all, who gives a shite about the hit and run anymore? It doesnt make a difference
yep, and all it means is that will was driving too close and wasnt paying attention. you should never rear end someone.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:10 pm to Red Stick Tigress
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Red Stick Tigress
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Wall of text
Nope nope nope nope
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:12 pm to lsupride87
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it will depend on who the witnesses paint as the initial aggressor.
which is why i've always had a strong conviction since the witness cell phone video when he immediately painted Hayes getting out freaking out wanting to fight etc...
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:12 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:So Smith holding/blocking Hayes is bad for Hayes?
Hayes.
And this is the words spark used
quote:
He said Will was holding the guy back (
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:13 pm to Chad504boy
quote:Well, Smiths own attorney said yesterday that Will was the one that got out and approached the Hummer....
Hayes getting out freaking out wanting to fight etc...
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:14 pm to lsupride87
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So Smith holding/blocking Hayes is bad for Hayes?
He later said he was blocking him from getting to Raquel. Not physically holding him.
If he's not physically being held and he just opened up fire, he's kind of fricked, barring other factors.
What don't you White Knighters get about this? I'm so perplexed.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:14 pm to Chad504boy
I can finally see the defense argument now with sparks version. It will come down to details on this. Who said what playing a big role. Tough case.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:14 pm to diat150
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I noticed a pair of sunglasses underneath wills benz in one of the pictures
Good eye!
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:16 pm to lsupride87
quote:approaching vehicle is still far from getting out of vehicle irate, yelling, cursing, and making physical threats of wanting to fight.
was the one that got out and approached the Hummer....
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:17 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Agreed.
If he's not physically being held and he just opened up fire,
quote:I just think you always say everything is bad for Hayes, when it usually is a neutral point without other factors. I think you have been extremely biased.
What don't you White Knighters get about this? I'm so perplexed.
Please dont hate me
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:18 pm to Chad504boy
quote:Agreed. But yesterday, the narrative from you was Smith was in his vehicle while the lunatic Hayes got out and approached as a raging animal. It appears that part didnt happen in that fashion according to Thomson
approaching vehicle is still far from getting out of vehicle irate, yelling, cursing, and making physical threats of wanting to fight.
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