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re: Attorney for Smith family / Attorney for Hayes l Press Conference Recap

Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:04 pm to
Posted by diat150
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:04 pm to
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No, I said blocking, not sure if physically blocking. My friend described it as Will and the shooter were still arguing when she went for the gun. He used the term blocking.



did your friend say anything about pt being there? how about any other people being outside of the vehicles including the impala?

we know smith, his wife, smiths passenger, and the 2 guys in the hummer were outside. it must have been a chaotic scene in the small amount of space between the cars parked near the curb and their vehicles... prob not much more than 5 feet.
Posted by Red Stick Tigress
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:04 pm to
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No he may have called. But didn't get an answer We don't know yet


Regardless of whether he called 911 and hung up or it didn't answer, Shooter made the choice to take the matter into his own hands and pursue Smith without even checking to see if his car was damaged in any way. (911 would have told him not to pursue had he actually spoken to them, just like they told George Z.)

So, I'm going to assume that Shooter's a little pissed off because he thinks his prized possession Hummer has been damaged while he was on Magazine Street.

Shooter's driving fast, runs the same red light Smith did because he's trying to keep up. Shooter probably didn't realize that the next block is only 2 blocks long and he overtakes the Mercedes and cannot stop quickly enough, slamming into the back of the Mercedes and pushing it into the Impala not far from the intersection at Felicity.

So in Shooter's mind, he thinks there's damage to the back of the Hummer and knows without a doubt that the front of the Hummer is F'd up. He's got to be thinking it's all Smith's fault.

Shooter gets out of the Hummer at the same time Will Smith gets out the Mercedes and both are pissed off/upset, one, possibly both are impaired (we don't know what Shooter was doing prior to the first video.)

Shouting ensues and it goes south very quickly. If I were car slammed, I guarantee my gut reaction would be pissy, WTF were you doing??? That was probably Will's reaction as his dad said he probably got out of his vehicle with his big mouth. So you have Will pissed that his car was slammed into and Shooter pissed because he thinks Will is responsible for everything.


An aside:

I maintain that Shooter did stop kind of abruptly, almost jerky, maybe even in the longer video that started down by Sake, but I can't find it right now to review it. It did not seem to me that Shooter eased into slowing down. Maybe Shooter just drives like that; maybe he has slow reflexes; maybe he was impaired and possibly Smith was too.


This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 3:05 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:04 pm to
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No, I said blocking, not sure if physically blocking. My friend described it as Will and the shooter were still arguing when she went for the gun. He used the term blocking.



Well, that would be bad
Posted by Mouth
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:06 pm to
for?
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:06 pm to
Why are the Smith's not allowed to retrieve their gun if they thought they were finding themselves in a hostile situation that they began to have fear of what Hayes' possible actions could be if Hayes was threatening to fight them etc? It seems plausible that Will thought he may have needed his gun to de-esculate the situation and possibly wasn't retrieving gun to shoot Hayes.

If you have a lunatic going off on you, Will says honey go get my gun, is that grounds to start shooting at them if you were the initial aggressor. I have my doubts.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 3:08 pm
Posted by WhoDat37
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:06 pm to
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No he may have called. But didn't get an answer

We don't know yet




If he called, it should still be logged

I don't buy it for 1 second that his attorney doesn't have his call logs yet.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:07 pm to
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I maintain that Shooter did stop kind of abruptly, almost jerky,
First of all, he didnt stop abruptly, at all.

Second of all, that doesnt excuse a hit and run

Third of all, who gives a shite about the hit and run anymore? It doesnt make a difference
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:07 pm to
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Why are the Smith's not allowed to retrieve their gun if they thought they were finding themselves in a hostile situation that they began to have fear of what Hayes' possible actions could be if Hayes was threatening to fight them etc?
They do. Thats why I said if sparks friend is right, it will depend on who the witnesses paint as the initial aggressor.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 3:08 pm
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47810 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:08 pm to
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First of all, he didnt stop abruptly, at all.

Second of all, that doesnt excuse a hit and run

Third of all, who gives a shite about the hit and run anymore? It doesnt make a difference


yep, and all it means is that will was driving too close and wasnt paying attention. you should never rear end someone.
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:10 pm to
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Red Stick Tigress



quote:

Wall of text



Nope nope nope nope
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:11 pm to
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for?


Hayes.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:12 pm to
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it will depend on who the witnesses paint as the initial aggressor.


which is why i've always had a strong conviction since the witness cell phone video when he immediately painted Hayes getting out freaking out wanting to fight etc...
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:12 pm to
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Hayes.
So Smith holding/blocking Hayes is bad for Hayes?

And this is the words spark used

quote:

He said Will was holding the guy back (
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:13 pm to
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Hayes getting out freaking out wanting to fight etc...
Well, Smiths own attorney said yesterday that Will was the one that got out and approached the Hummer....
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:14 pm to
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So Smith holding/blocking Hayes is bad for Hayes?



He later said he was blocking him from getting to Raquel. Not physically holding him.

If he's not physically being held and he just opened up fire, he's kind of fricked, barring other factors.

What don't you White Knighters get about this? I'm so perplexed.
Posted by Winkface
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:14 pm to
I can finally see the defense argument now with sparks version. It will come down to details on this. Who said what playing a big role. Tough case.
Posted by Red Stick Tigress
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:14 pm to
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I noticed a pair of sunglasses underneath wills benz in one of the pictures


Good eye!
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:16 pm to
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was the one that got out and approached the Hummer....
approaching vehicle is still far from getting out of vehicle irate, yelling, cursing, and making physical threats of wanting to fight.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:17 pm to
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If he's not physically being held and he just opened up fire,
Agreed.

quote:

What don't you White Knighters get about this? I'm so perplexed.
I just think you always say everything is bad for Hayes, when it usually is a neutral point without other factors. I think you have been extremely biased.


Please dont hate me
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:18 pm to
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approaching vehicle is still far from getting out of vehicle irate, yelling, cursing, and making physical threats of wanting to fight.
Agreed. But yesterday, the narrative from you was Smith was in his vehicle while the lunatic Hayes got out and approached as a raging animal. It appears that part didnt happen in that fashion according to Thomson
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