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re: Zion now listed as questionable: “Return to Play Reconditioning”
Posted on 2/16/25 at 8:32 pm to NOSHAU
Posted on 2/16/25 at 8:32 pm to NOSHAU
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Players do not override their coach and management without consequences.
They literally do this all the time. It's a players league. To act like Zion is powerless and has no control is naive. He can, and has, done anything he wants. They let him.
He has been back, and supposedly recovered, for over a month. We had 18 games since his return. He played in 11, with limited minutes. That's not normal or a ramp up. If he's back, he should just be back. The minute restriction makes no sense either. It's all a game meant to placate a child, so he's happy "hooping" occasionally and having a great reel that hopefully goes super viral. It is just to keep his brand relevant..
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Posted on 2/16/25 at 9:44 pm to brmark70816
Not worth arguing with a wall. Certain posters aren’t going to admit when they are wrong on here, even if/when they often are.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 10:39 pm to brmark70816
He actually did this earlier in the season when he initially hurt his hammy. He overrode the coaches/trainers and tried to play through the injury and ended up hurting himself worse.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 3:20 am to dj30
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He actually did this earlier in the season when he initially hurt his hammy. He overrode the coaches/trainers and tried to play through the injury and ended up hurting himself worse.
I'm not sure what this would mean for him now. He's not hurt or injured right now. He's not supposed to be out of shape or in poor condition. So why would he need to be limited?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:42 am to brmark70816
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I'm not sure what this would mean for him now. He's not hurt or injured right now. He's not supposed to be out of shape or in poor condition. So why would he need to be limited?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:51 am to CP3forMVP
I want a top pick too.
But how is any of this benefitting or developing Zion? He plays when he wants. He plays short minutes. He only really plays one side of the court and couldn't be bothered to rebound.
If he's injured or prone to an injury, shut him down. Even better, send him away to lose weight/bulk to get to a realistic long-term playing weight. Him playing a couple of times a week isn't going to get him where we want him to be. I don't get how people are so comfortable with all of this. Its going to end horribly..
But how is any of this benefitting or developing Zion? He plays when he wants. He plays short minutes. He only really plays one side of the court and couldn't be bothered to rebound.
If he's injured or prone to an injury, shut him down. Even better, send him away to lose weight/bulk to get to a realistic long-term playing weight. Him playing a couple of times a week isn't going to get him where we want him to be. I don't get how people are so comfortable with all of this. Its going to end horribly..
Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:11 am to brmark70816
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I want a top pick too.
But how is any of this benefitting or developing Zion? He plays when he wants. He plays short minutes. He only really plays one side of the court and couldn't be bothered to rebound.
If he's injured or prone to an injury, shut him down. Even better, send him away to lose weight/bulk to get to a realistic long-term playing weight. Him playing a couple of times a week isn't going to get him where we want him to be. I don't get how people are so comfortable with all of this. Its going to end horribly..
I don't disagree. That's just been my thought, they know the season is gone so they play him only when they feel 100% comfortable playing him, and it comes out looking weird. Honestly though my interest level in this team is basically zero right now so I could easily be missing something.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:19 am to brmark70816
I really don’t understand your position. The team has decided they want to tank because they have sustained so many injuries. The best player on the team has agreed to the plan they have in place. It might be the first time that Zion and organization have been on the same page.
You say that he can’t be bothered on the defensive side of the ball but he is rebounding, blocking shots, and stealing the ball at a higher rate than ever before. I completely understand that him playing at a high level only to sit most of the fourth qtr and we lose again is very frustrating but that is what they have chosen to do to maximize their draft choice. Complain about the organizational decision if you want, I just don’t get why you would complain with his on court performance since returning.
You say that he can’t be bothered on the defensive side of the ball but he is rebounding, blocking shots, and stealing the ball at a higher rate than ever before. I completely understand that him playing at a high level only to sit most of the fourth qtr and we lose again is very frustrating but that is what they have chosen to do to maximize their draft choice. Complain about the organizational decision if you want, I just don’t get why you would complain with his on court performance since returning.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 11:34 am to ThePistol
I respect your logic and agree with your point. But you won’t convince any of them of anything. They have made up their minds, and Zion is at fault for any and everything.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:31 pm to spaghettioeauxs
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But you won’t convince any of them of anything. They have made up their minds, and Zion is at fault for any and everything
Thank goodness you have his back. It's all so unfair to him. All these mean people talking about him. He just wants to hoop and have fun. We should all just celebrate him being with us and appreciate these magnificent times he's brought to our team. These are the glory days. Thank you for setting me straight. That course correction was necessary..
Posted on 2/17/25 at 3:23 pm to brmark70816
You’re welcome.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 6:37 am to spaghettioeauxs
So it's been well over a week. We are on the road in Dallas tonight, then two home games against the Spurs (without Wemby). Does Zion play all 3 games? We don't have any back to backs for a while. He just had a long break. Does he still need time to get in better condition?
I just hate that we are going to excuse him being lazy and sliding back cause we don't want to win the rest of the year. I'd literally rather them fake another injury and send him away to a training facility. He has to get into better condition. He can't get better training overweight.
I just hate that we are going to excuse him being lazy and sliding back cause we don't want to win the rest of the year. I'd literally rather them fake another injury and send him away to a training facility. He has to get into better condition. He can't get better training overweight.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 8:39 am to brmark70816
quote:So now you are pre-emptive bitching? All Star Break too long for you not to bitch about Zion?
So it's been well over a week. We are on the road in Dallas tonight, then two home games against the Spurs (without Wemby). Does Zion play all 3 games? We don't have any back to backs for a while. He just had a long break. Does he still need time to get in better condition?
I just hate that we are going to excuse him being lazy and sliding back cause we don't want to win the rest of the year. I'd literally rather them fake another injury and send him away to a training facility. He has to get into better condition. He can't get better training overweight.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 8:51 am to NOSHAU
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So now you are pre-emptive bitching?
Yes. Certain people are enabling horrible conduct and its time to take a stand. This debate has long been over, but others want to keep rehashing it ans defending embarrassing behavior. It's prove it time. If it doesn't happen now, with no pressure or expectations, when is it ever going to happen?
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All Star Break too long for you not to bitch about Zion?
I gave it over a week. That should be long enough for him to work out whatever kinks he has going on and be ready for a 2nd half surge. Is it going to happen?
Posted on 2/21/25 at 9:37 am to brmark70816
If we can successfully tank these next 10-15 games, I suspect you might see the team ramp up efforts at the end of the year to set a better tone going into next year.
Just my gut feeling watching how they’ve treated this season. I think they’re trying to make sure they stay below that TOR/BKN/maybe PHI line . Zion and TM3 are better than anyone on the other 5 for sure tanking teams imo: there’s no one I’d 1 for 1 either of them for.
We’ve got Tank Commander Willie at least. Our secret weapon.
Just my gut feeling watching how they’ve treated this season. I think they’re trying to make sure they stay below that TOR/BKN/maybe PHI line . Zion and TM3 are better than anyone on the other 5 for sure tanking teams imo: there’s no one I’d 1 for 1 either of them for.
We’ve got Tank Commander Willie at least. Our secret weapon.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 10:38 am to ShamelessPel
It kills me that you guys believe that anything that is happening is planned. It's a great side benefit that we are losing. But it has nothing to do with Zion, his minutes or his availability. That is all separate. He's not playing due to some load management theory that has no basis in reality and has zero impact on his future health. That should be the focus..
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:07 am to brmark70816
You are seeing things in through pissed off/frustrated glasses man. We’ll go as far as TM3/Hawk/Jose/Missi/Karlo take us the rest of the year. I feel pretty comfortable saying that. You’ll see CJ and Z have some good games, but we’re not running our team through either atm.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:22 am to brmark70816
maybe take a break. stop letting things affect your life so much. go outside, get some fresh air.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:09 pm to ShamelessPel
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We’ll go as far as TM3/Hawk/Jose/Missi/Karlo take us the rest of the year. I feel pretty comfortable saying that.
1. If we win 6 more games with that lineup, it will be shocking. We do need a top pick though because...
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W. You’ll see CJ and Z have some good games, but we’re not running our team through either atm.
That atm is what has several people aggravated. Zion is either the dude or he isn't. Kicking this can of bullshite down the road further is insane. This team is never going anywhere with Zion as the face of the franchise. I feel like I'm watching my sister keep going back to an emotionally abusive husband.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:12 pm to brmark70816
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It kills me that you guys believe that anything that is happening is planned. It's a great side benefit that we are losing. But it has nothing to do with Zion, his minutes or his availability. That is all separate. He's not playing due to some load management theory that has no basis in reality and has zero impact on his future health. That should be the focus..
Battered wife syndrome is real.
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