re: Zion looks completely disinterested.

You could make the argument that the signs were there to trade Zion after year 1.

Exhibit 1) Gets injured and has a 6 week timeline. Misses it by 7 weeks due to poor rehab habits and blowing up to 315 plus pounds.

Exhibit 2) Pulls hamstring in bubble. Weaponized COVID situation and forced the team to say he left the bubble due to a personal matter. We had an entire board speculating if his mom was on a ventilator or something. Turns out, it was a hamstring (we found out 3-4 years later from Christian Clark I believe). Comes back to the bubble 7-10 days later and somehow gained 15-20 pounds (while he was supposed to be getting opinions and treatment on his hamstring).

If you trade him year 2, you get a damn good haul. And we had enough cause. He was an immature baby in year 1. He had already shown his inability to be a professional and to stay healthy.

I think if we had the inside info the medical team and D Griff had about things, 85% of us on this board would've wanted to trade him after year 1 despite his "talent".

It's not revisionist history for the people that had inside knowledge of how he was acting as far back as year 1. It's a complete drop of the ball for the org to know how Zion actually operates behind the scenes and not trade him very early on.

I've also got a thread or a post from 3-4 years ago saying we should trade Zion and pick 14 for Sengun pick 3 and salary filler and I got laughed off the board. So, I've been asking for this goon to be traded for quite some time now, without a ton of inside Intel.

It's too late now I get it. But a casual fan could've ran this organization than Griffin did (especially with the AD haul to work with). All we had to do was not F up repeatedly. And we did outside of a couple of nice draft picks and 1 solid trade for Jonas Val.

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I think if we had the inside info the medical team and D Griff had about things, 85% of us on this board would've wanted to trade him after year 1 despite his "talent".

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Yeah sure.
I've always thought that Zion shouldn't rely on his athleticism to dominate in NBA, especially since he's not 6"11 or taller like Giannis.
But his sophomore season was good.

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This is revisionist history. No one in their right mind would have said let’s trade Zion after his first 2 years. He was incredible his first two years.

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I did.

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Zion isn't fat. Why do people keep saying this? I just think it's really hard to build with him because of his availability and lack of outside shooting.

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He isn’t in great shape for an nba athlete making 200m. Just because he isn’t a walrus anymore doesn’t mean he’s in acceptable nba shape.

Maybe he’s just too bulky. Can’t really be helped. That’s just his body type. Regardless how much fat he’s lost that’s a lot of weight to carry up and down the floor at 6’6. Especially for a guy that strictly relies on his speed and athleticism to be productive.

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Maybe he’s just too bulky. Can’t really be helped. That’s just his body type. Regardless how much fat he’s lost that’s a lot of weight to carry up and down the floor at 6’6.

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How come Jokic doesn't have a problem running the floor?
Hell JV ran the floor 10x's better than Zion.
Zach Edey is the biggest guy in the league (when Zion is under 300lbs) and he runs the floor better than Zion.

There's no excuse for Zion to not be in better shape.
Lebron is a big arse dude. He could easily weight 275 if he wanted to, but he doesnt' want to weight that much and stays around 250. You can't say Zion has a "bigger" body than Lebron.

What do y’all think we can honestly get for him at this point?

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What do y’all think we can honestly get for him at this point?

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I honestly don't know.

Teams have to send back $40M to get him.

I try to think of teams that would give up that much salary and picks and it really doesn't look all that great.

I think of the Bulls. No way they would include Giddey.
Vucevic and Huerter match exactly, and both are expiring. Would they give up 2 firsts with those two expirings?
Would you rather Patrick Williams instead of Huerter, and would the Bulls do that instead? Williams hasn't done much of anything and has 3 years left at $18M. He's not even starting there anymore since Buzelis has taken that from him in his 2nd year. Maybe he's considered a bad contract and that's what we would need to get back in order to get multiple firsts back.


Do you think the Heat would give up Herro and Jaquez for Zion? Do we even want them back (Jaquez is a below average 3P shooter).


I would think the Pistons would be interested in Zion, but who are they giving up to match salaries? They just signed Duncan Robinson (who's having a nice start to the season as a starter for them) for 3 years, just signed LeVert to 2 years (coming off the bench), Stewart has 3 years left and seems to be the heart of the team.
Tobias Harris seems like the obvious choice as he's an expiring making $26M.
Harris and Levert and would they give up 2 firsts? I think that's plausible. I just can't see anyone giving up more than that.


Would the Hornets give up Bridges and Grant Williams for Zion? I'd think so, but i doubt they give up their own 1st, although they do have the worst of Grizz/Suns/Magic this year. Would you be happy with Bridges/Williams/late 1st? I would in a heartbeat.


Would the Wizards give up Middleton and Kispert and 2 firsts (not washingtons but others that are likely to be from playoff teams). I think they would but is that the best we can do here?

Jerami Grant would be an option i think but i doubt Portland gives up any picks.

I don't think any bad team would give up their lottery bound 1st for him. I also don't think any team is giving up a promising young talent for him.

His salary being so high makes it hard to match up with b/c a lot of teams aren't goign to give up their high salary guys b/c they are good, and that leaves them unable to match salaries. They have to have high salary guys that they don't want.