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re: Zion and Ingram come back and we lose

Posted on 11/4/23 at 10:05 pm to
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 10:05 pm to
I disagree with this he was passing well on offense tonight we just missed shots. BI though didn’t play make at all today.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
81210 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 10:07 pm to
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I disagree with this he was passing well on offense tonight we just missed shots. BI though didn’t play make at all today.



Yeah, when he has the ball... but a big part of ball movement is off ball movement and Zion doesn't believe in that. Hard to move the ball when it's basically 4v5 in a set.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 10:11 pm to
He was cutting and moving on offense to the rim. Not realky sure what else you want him to do from a movement standpoint on offense? I mean hes not a shooting threat. Criticize his defense and rebounding all you want but his offense was the main reason we had the lead at half.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
81210 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 10:18 pm to
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He was cutting and moving on offense to the rim.


There were stretches of possessions, not just tonight but this season, where he anchors himself in the corner.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 10:27 pm to
To me thats by design, which I think is stupid. But thats not Zion. Thats more on coaching staff.
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
56545 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 10:54 pm to
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Ingram is not a winner.


You don’t need to watch the World Cup for that. He’s been on mediocre to bad teams his whole career with him being one of the main pieces.
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
Member since Sep 2017
32703 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 8:28 am to
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There were stretches of possessions, not just tonight but this season, where he anchors himself in the corner.


You realize he’s not capable of running and cutting without the ball every possession right? Not many are in that kind of shape at his size
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112848 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 8:31 am to
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You realize he’s not capable of running and cutting without the ball every possession right? Not many are in that kind of shape at his size
I mean, he's quite literally resting every single defensive possession, so I don't think it's too much to ask for to play hard every offensive possession.

If he plays zero defense AND needs stretches on offense where he stands in the corner, then he should be on the bench and only playing 20-25 minutes a night. And that just speaks to him not showing up to this season ready and in shape for our all in year, which is inexcusable and a very ominous sign from your best player.
This post was edited on 11/5/23 at 8:32 am
Posted by Jar_Jar_80
Member since Oct 2013
2171 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 8:38 am to
Hawk's are just a terrible match up for us for multiple reasons there style of play the personal we have and Willie defensive scheme. Val played horrible and is just a bad match up vs the Hawks unlike the piston. We allowed there guards to get in the paint at well because we went over every screen or just switched for no reason. And we couldn't get a lose ball it was like we had grease on our hands. This was the game we missed Trey shooting and length the most.
Posted by LuzianaFootball
DC
Member since Dec 2008
8108 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 12:49 pm to
Even thought BI shoots extremely well, BI's shots are all 2 pointers. It doesn't stretch the floor like it did with Ryan and Hawkins banging from deep(swidt?). Especially when Trey comes back, we'll have some decisions to make about playing time.

BI will have to move back and shoot more threes or let someone else do it if he can't.
Posted by J_Hingle
LA
Member since Jun 2013
5406 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 2:37 pm to
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Pretty much sums up this shite show, this team needs a kick in the arse and i dont know if Willy is the guy to do it. The great coaches would go bananas seeing this shite
Posted by ramchallenge
Member since Nov 2009
3708 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 6:40 pm to
NO defense from either of them! They just want to shoot and score points!
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