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Zion - BI - Zo Show
Posted on 9/25/20 at 9:45 am
Posted on 9/25/20 at 9:45 am
Developing a core. Creating a culture. Building a dynasty. A time to remember.
The bubble was a disaster. The bubble play also means very little when projecting this team, this roster moving forward.
This team is going to take a considerably sized leap next season. It’s no coincidence that when this roster was healthy and rotations were set, they performed statistically as the best unit in the NBA.
I’m sure all this trade talk is laughable from an upper management standpoint. We have pieces that fit, almost perfectly. Jrue didn’t have his best season statistically but is value to this squad is undeniable.
Jrue is the leader. If he wasn’t on our team we would be trying to acquire him and integrate him with our core. Good thing for us he’s already a major part of it.
The bubble was a disaster. The bubble play also means very little when projecting this team, this roster moving forward.
This team is going to take a considerably sized leap next season. It’s no coincidence that when this roster was healthy and rotations were set, they performed statistically as the best unit in the NBA.
I’m sure all this trade talk is laughable from an upper management standpoint. We have pieces that fit, almost perfectly. Jrue didn’t have his best season statistically but is value to this squad is undeniable.
Jrue is the leader. If he wasn’t on our team we would be trying to acquire him and integrate him with our core. Good thing for us he’s already a major part of it.
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Posted on 9/25/20 at 9:52 am to Don Pel
Zo should not be part of any core.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 9:59 am to saints5021
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Zo should not be part of any core.
have a feeling that he's going to end up somewhere with a coach that's actually interested in coaching up young players, and he's going to become a useful piece for someone
Posted on 9/25/20 at 10:09 am to Don Pel
Keep telling yourself all of this to make yourself feel better at night. It's like clockwork with fans of this franchise. Team underperforms and we constantly sell ourselves on next year and we will get better.
I'm not doing that this off-season. Breaking out the conditioned mindset and removing situations that's not banking on optimistic outcomes but realistic possible conclusions.
Lonzo should be traded now, before we lose him for nothing. Zion is a huge question mark and we should just wait to see what he becomes vs being optimistic or pessimistic but his future is a legit crapshoot vs what we thought we were getting in him which was the savior of the NBA.
I'm not doing that this off-season. Breaking out the conditioned mindset and removing situations that's not banking on optimistic outcomes but realistic possible conclusions.
Lonzo should be traded now, before we lose him for nothing. Zion is a huge question mark and we should just wait to see what he becomes vs being optimistic or pessimistic but his future is a legit crapshoot vs what we thought we were getting in him which was the savior of the NBA.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 10:11 am to saints5021
Why not? What you have against Zo Limit?
The improvements he made last season have been vastly understated. I wasn’t a fan of him in a Lakers uniform but I never denied his potential. We saw a small glimpse of the heights he can reach when he was healthy and felt comfortable in his role.
If the issue is one of money. It’s a dead conversation. I’m always for players maximizing their profits. Be it our star player or two way contract talented player. Don’t get me wrong Asik type deals are depressing but this ain’t that.
The improvements he made last season have been vastly understated. I wasn’t a fan of him in a Lakers uniform but I never denied his potential. We saw a small glimpse of the heights he can reach when he was healthy and felt comfortable in his role.
If the issue is one of money. It’s a dead conversation. I’m always for players maximizing their profits. Be it our star player or two way contract talented player. Don’t get me wrong Asik type deals are depressing but this ain’t that.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 10:28 am to Silverfoxx
But why did this team underperform? There’s a human element that often feels neglected.
The roster had significant turnover and a huge philosophy change.
Ingram and Zo were coming off injuries (per usual during their short careers) last off-season entering a new situation.
Zion (what’s understood...)
Favors losing his mother during the season.
Gentry played checkers.
The roster had significant turnover and a huge philosophy change.
Ingram and Zo were coming off injuries (per usual during their short careers) last off-season entering a new situation.
Zion (what’s understood...)
Favors losing his mother during the season.
Gentry played checkers.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 10:38 am to Silverfoxx
One of Griffin first comments about Zion during Summer League was that his conditioning takes a huge hit when he’s not on a strict regiment. Any time away from the facility was a detriment.
Call me crazy but I’m not buying Anthony Bennett vibes. Zion has the desire to be great, which if you bothered to notice is a common theme around this franchise these days.
Call me crazy but I’m not buying Anthony Bennett vibes. Zion has the desire to be great, which if you bothered to notice is a common theme around this franchise these days.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 10:44 am to Don Pel
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The improvements he made last season have been vastly understated
He shot better. that's it.
His defense is no where near elite like we were told it would be. It's mediocre. That's the biggest reason why i don't want him.
I said it before the season started, i would rather see him become a better finisher in the paint than improve his 3 point shot b/c i felt it was more important. He's great on a fast break, but once we get in the halfcourt, nothing positive happens with the ball in his hands unless it's a catch and shoot 3 where he has time to square up. Anything else is a bad offensive play regarding him. His inability to do anything with the ball in his hands in the halfcourt is why i don't want him. He's a PG on fast breaks, and a SG who does nothing but stand around and shoot 3's in the halfcourt. He does nothig but clutter the lane b/c his defender doesn't care about him at all no matter what he's doing on offense in the halfcourt, whether the ball is in his hands or not.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 11:00 am to TeddyPadillac
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He shot better. that's it.
His defense is no where near elite like we were told it would be. It's mediocre. That's the biggest reason why i don't want him.
From a mythical standpoint his defense wasn’t elite but it’s not as if he’s inept. His size still can’t be taught and his natural feel for the game is just as impressive.
If Zo didn’t have elite basketball measurables and such a high BBIQ I admittedly might be in your camp.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 11:44 am to Don Pel
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His size still can’t be taught and his natural feel for the game is just as impressive.
He plays like he's 6'1", not 6'6".
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If Zo didn’t have elite basketball measurables and such a high BBIQ I admittedly might be in your camp.
what measurables? he's tall?
What BBIQ, the one where he takes step back 3's every game, or launches a three from 5 feet behind the line like he's Steph Curry?
Posted on 9/25/20 at 11:59 am to TeddyPadillac
Yeah, he can pass(mostly in transition) and shoot a bit better, but shot selection, defense, shot creation, ft shooting, inside scoring, mid range scoring, half court offense, are all well below starting position averages.
With quality guards pretty much coming out of the draft every year, and a mountain of picks, I’m not sure why we should be married to a point guard that isn’t at an elite level? Especially when he has a big pay raise looming.
With quality guards pretty much coming out of the draft every year, and a mountain of picks, I’m not sure why we should be married to a point guard that isn’t at an elite level? Especially when he has a big pay raise looming.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 12:17 pm to Don Pel
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such a high BBIQ
He thinks that step-back 3s early in the shot clock are good shots for him.
First of all, the fact that he switched agents and signed with Klutch is a clear sign that he wants out, which means that he's likely going to be traded. I mean, we could hold on to him to start the season and then trade him right before the deadline, but I feel confident saying that will only happen if Griffin somehow can't make a deal that he likes in the offseason.
Lonzo's big problem is that he's a turnover machine. His turnover percentage was 2nd-worst in the league. And the reason that he has so many turnovers is that teams know that they don't have to guard him going to rim, because he won't do it, and if he does, he'll miss, and if you end up fouling him, he'll miss the FTs.
All that is to say that he's a very poor starting PG in the NBA right now. You can't play PG now in the league if you can't run a pick-and-roll, and he can't do that well because he's no threat to go to the rim.
If Lonzo is going to become a good starter on a playoff team, then he is going to have to do one of two things:
1) Develop at the rim and learn to shoot FTs at an 80% clip. Become feared as someone who puts opponents on a poster.
2) Accept that he isn't a PG and accept his fate as a 3&D wing. Learn to get himself open for 3pt shots. Become a lethal threat from 3 like JJ or Duncan Robinson. Learn to use off-ball screens to get open for catch-and-shoot opportunities.
Unfortunately, I don't know that Lonzo really wants to do either of those things. I think that Lonzo will eventually develop into a good player, but he's going to have to fail some more before I think that he's ready to do what he needs to in order to achieve that. It's not something that we can fix -- his next team is going to have to try to do that.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 12:32 pm to GOP_Tiger
Sums up my thoughts on him right now pretty perfectly.
The bubble might have honestly been a blessing in disguise for the Pels because I think his three-point improvement created a lot of bias around hanging onto him, but the holes he has in his game are really big. And if history is our guide the best we are going to hope for next season is one or two areas improving a bit. Then you are having to give him a new contract.
He seems like the classic high upside player that doesn't really put it together til 26-28. Still never really living up to that hype though.
The bubble might have honestly been a blessing in disguise for the Pels because I think his three-point improvement created a lot of bias around hanging onto him, but the holes he has in his game are really big. And if history is our guide the best we are going to hope for next season is one or two areas improving a bit. Then you are having to give him a new contract.
He seems like the classic high upside player that doesn't really put it together til 26-28. Still never really living up to that hype though.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 12:35 pm to Don Pel
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The improvements he made last season have been vastly understated. I wasn’t a fan of him in a Lakers uniform but I never denied his potential. We saw a small glimpse of the heights he can reach when he was healthy and felt comfortable in his role.
He is a PG who can't finish or make FT's. That is a MASSIVE problem and he's so far back without any real improvement in 3 years.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 2:09 pm to GOP_Tiger
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First of all, the fact that he switched agents and signed with Klutch is a clear sign that he wants out, which means that he's likely going to be traded. I mean, we could hold on to him to start the season and then trade him right before the deadline, but I feel confident saying that will only happen if Griffin somehow can't make a deal that he likes in the offseason.
I don’t read those tea leaves the same as you. Why would Lonzo want out of New Orleans from a basketball standpoint? Lonzo has flashed potential but as you point out, from an established player perspective he has much to improve upon. Basically he doesn’t have enough weight to be throwing it around.
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If Lonzo is going to become a good starter on a playoff team, then he is going to have to do one of two things:
1) Develop at the rim and learn to shoot FTs at an 80% clip. Become feared as someone who puts opponents on a poster.
Confidence is a major factor in Zo’s game. I believe he can become that player and essentially that’s the player I’m expecting to see throughout his tenure with New Orleans.
Zo is in a great situation if we’re being honest.
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Posted on 9/25/20 at 2:28 pm to NOFOX
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He is a PG who can't finish or make FT's. That is a MASSIVE problem and he's so far back without any real improvement in 3 years.
I agree that is a MASSIVE problem. If a player can’t make free throws I don’t want him on the floor. That’s a great talking point, I think we’ll see a significant uptick in his FT%.
Most growth for players happen during the off-season and I believe this is his first time going into window of time at 100% health.
Zo is set up for I breakout season next year.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 2:32 pm to Don Pel
quote:free throw sucks, mid range is shaky, driving to rim sucks, good passer but not this amazing facilitator people claim him to be. Half court offense is trash.
Why not? What you have against Zo Limit?
He’s good at rebounding, off ball defense and solid at full court offense and catch and shoot 3s he’s improved.
He’s not a leading point guard for a playoff caliber team. He’s gonna get destroyed in the playoffs when things slows down and defense picks up. He can’t run a half court offense.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 2:39 pm to Don Pel
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Most growth for players happen during the off-season and I believe this is his first time going into window of time at 100% health.
But is he going to actually work on his game like he should, or will he be farting around with his buddies?
I don't think basketball is #1 in his life.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:11 pm to Don Pel
If he had a desired to be great, he would have had a "desire" to give a frick on defense, or a "desire" to put down the PO boys. Kill that noise man. Not drinking the Duke kool aid anymore. Zion "desire" will be documented starting next season. I'm done with freaking excuses. Stop being babied and act like a professional who has a "desire" to be great. I believe he can be great, and he has it in him, now it's time to see. But what I'm not doing is having a blind expectation like he is the second coming of CP3 or some alpha I hate losing player because with the human element (hopefully his family situations are fine) on the court defensively he was lazy arse shite and played conservative. There was no "I don't understand coverage so let me gamble with alot of energy on this play" effort, it's was majority of slow footed, lackadaisical nonsense. If Gentry is that impressionable on someone who "desires to be great" then that's alarming and outside influences should definitely concern us along with Ms Benson giving Zion free jambalaya pots.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:14 pm to TeddyPadillac
But but...Zo is on Instagram shooting threes and "swoosh" they are going in. Smh I'm tired of this thot mentality of young players. Balling is not all about flashy handles, dunking, and shooting threes. Zo clearly has waaaay more alarming concerns in his game, but let's show them how sweet my jumper is smh.
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