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re: Zach Lowe Western Conference Power Rankings
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:51 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:51 pm to TigerinATL
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He figures out something to do with it I think I've seen him pull out and reset once this year.
True, I guess throwing up an off-balance prayer is "something."
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:31 pm to eyeran
You can argue whether he has a bias against the Pelicans, but he's been pretty spot on about them for a long time. He's written about them at length three or four times, and it's solid work. His article in the summer of 2013 after we acquired Jrue and Tyreke probably reads like a prophecy now.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:58 pm to NOLAbaby
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After reading that garbage by Lowe, I am 100% sure the only Pels game he watched this year was that disaster vs. the Trail Blazers. They are not a perfect team, but even look at the L to the Warriors, the Pels know how to play to their strengths. Absolute trash for a guy of Lowe's "quality" to spin things like that.
Lowe also put OKC at #1 on his "Rankings" who haven't beaten a top 8 Western Conference team yet this season. OKC's only marquee win was vs. the Cavs, who the Pelicans, Blazers, and Spurs all beat. Seriously disappointing stuff from Grantland's NBA guy imo
wow talk about homerism.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 3:27 pm to PKTiger
quote:Definitely not questioning Lowe's knowledge of the game, just the angle at which he, and most other national guys report on the Pelicans. They made their minds up about the this team a long time ago and their writing is almost always slanted with that confirmation bias. Plus, our FO and coach isn't in the new "in crowd" with these new basketball writers.
You can argue whether he has a bias against the Pelicans, but he's been pretty spot on about them for a long time. He's written about them at length three or four times, and it's solid work. His article in the summer of 2013 after we acquired Jrue and Tyreke probably reads like a prophecy now.
Simmons and Lowe have well known buddies all over the league. From Morey to Ainge, to Kerr to Hinkie. Brett Brown(Sixers coach) does an interview every week with the espn truehoop guys. Shocker, they randomly wrote an article a week or two ago shitting on the Holiday deal again. Also any team that fires up 3s, even if they aren't good at it, gets favorable coverage. The 3-ball has turned into what the homerun was in the 90s. Fanboy central.
Like Lowe said, this could be the best conference of all time. Assuming OKC is one of the 8 playoffs teams in the west; every western conference playoff team would be favored against every team in the east.
If we finish 9th in the "greatest single-season conference in league history," is all the slamming this team, coach, and front office takes really justified?
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 3:43 pm to eyeran
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Definitely not questioning Lowe's knowledge of the game, just the angle at which he, and most other national guys report on the Pelicans. They made their minds up about the this team a long time ago and their writing is almost always slanted with that confirmation bias. Plus, our FO and coach isn't in the new "in crowd" with these new basketball writers.
Simmons and Lowe have well known buddies all over the league. From Morey to Ainge, to Kerr to Hinkie. Brett Brown(Sixers coach) does an interview every week with the espn truehoop guys. Shocker, they randomly wrote an article a week or two ago shitting on the Holiday deal again. Also any team that fires up 3s, even if they aren't good at it, gets favorable coverage. The 3-ball has turned into what the homerun was in the 90s. Fanboy central.
This pretty much sums it up. We are getting slammed in the national media because we tried to improve the team via free agency/trade instead of tanking. Because everyone knows the only way to win is to lose.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 3:51 pm to eyeran
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every western conference playoff team would be favored against every team in the east.
The West is far better, but that is a bit of an exaggeration. The Cavs could compete after they learn to play together. The Bulls may also.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 3:51 pm to eyeran
The Pelicans shifted expectations with the Holiday, Evans, and Asik moves. They cashed in all their moveable assets and declared themselves ready to be a player in the West with this roster. They aren't. And it's uncertain at the moment if they will ever be more than a low seed playoff team- even with Davis ascending to Olympus. Should the roster not be called out for being thin and ill fitting? Should the team not be judged on the terms they set for themselves?
We can't have it both ways. We can't tout how the Pelicans are ready to compete in the West because of the moves and then be upset when people judge the team based on those expectations. If people want compliments like
then they should be complaining that Demps made all these moves.
I don't think Lowe has confirmation bias- his two major features on the Pelicans the past 2 years have been very fair and even handed. He might not personally agree with some of the decisions, but he offers up reasons why the 3 guards could work. Or how the defense will be better. The Bird Writes has been saying similar things about NBA media for a while. I do not agree that good, national NBA guys are out to bash the Pelicans. TBW, in particular, have very thin skin for any criticism- justified or not.
We can't have it both ways. We can't tout how the Pelicans are ready to compete in the West because of the moves and then be upset when people judge the team based on those expectations. If people want compliments like
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Zach LaVine has had bursts of exciting competence amid the troubles anyone would experience playing point guard at 19 on an awful team.
then they should be complaining that Demps made all these moves.
I don't think Lowe has confirmation bias- his two major features on the Pelicans the past 2 years have been very fair and even handed. He might not personally agree with some of the decisions, but he offers up reasons why the 3 guards could work. Or how the defense will be better. The Bird Writes has been saying similar things about NBA media for a while. I do not agree that good, national NBA guys are out to bash the Pelicans. TBW, in particular, have very thin skin for any criticism- justified or not.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 4:01 pm to NOLAbaby
Lowe watches every game. He comments on them nightly.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 4:05 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:The Bulls, maybe. But who would the Cavs be favored against in the west?
The West is far better, but that is a bit of an exaggeration.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 4:11 pm to corndeaux
quote:They weren't talking about winning championships with this group. The expectations were to improve from a 20-30 win team, to a playoff team in this conference. They've put themselves in position to do that.
The Pelicans shifted expectations with the Holiday, Evans, and Asik moves. They cashed in all their moveable assets and declared themselves ready to be a player in the West with this roster. They aren't. And it's uncertain at the moment if they will ever be more than a low seed playoff team- even with Davis ascending to Olympus. Should the roster not be called out for being thin and ill fitting? Should the team not be judged on the terms they set for themselves?
We can't have it both ways. We can't tout how the Pelicans are ready to compete in the West because of the moves and then be upset when people judge the team based on those expectations. If people want compliments like
Posted on 12/23/14 at 4:20 pm to corndeaux
Wow his points about Robin Lopez v's Omer Asik echo everything I've been saying lately. 
Posted on 12/23/14 at 4:22 pm to RonBurgundy
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he's been pretty spot on about them for a long time.
What has he been so spot on about? Lowe is king of pointing out the obvious.
My problem with that article was that he spun it so negatively, like playing for the playoffs is such an innoble purpose. Believe me, I've had season tickets since the CP3 days. Seeing our team in the playoffs is fricking fun as shite. Seeing them in the lottery and the Hive/Nest empty is awful. As a fan, I'd rather have games in May/June than not. I just find it ignorant to bash the Pelicans team building strategy when right now they're just one player away. I like playoff basketball and dreaming/hoping for the improbable upset is a better way to spend your postseason as a fan than sitting in a bar waiting for the lottery draw. Lowe seems to miss that point of the NBA.
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wow talk about homerism.
Excuse me for having a Pelicans bias on a Louisiana based message board called "Pelicans Talk"....
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The Cavs could compete after they learn to play together
1-4 vs. Western Conference top 9 teams....
Posted on 12/23/14 at 4:28 pm to NOLAbaby
My problem with this team is that they're a chore to watch. That's hard to accomplish when you have such likeable guys like Davis and Anderson. Evans and Asik's games are just brutal on the eyes and ruin my Pellie game experience. I'm neutral on Holiday.
I'd much rather watch the young and pesky Bucks who play great team basketball and are growing up nightly before your eyes than my own damn team who has the best or 2nd best player on the planet. We need a coaching and style change - we should be running and gunning and passing around Holiday, AD23, and Anderson. Basically fire Monty and hire George Karl and this team would be so much more fun.
Compared to the glory Hornets of CP3, DX, TC6, and Peja, Pargo, that tall goofy white dude (who were an absolute blast to watch) this team sucks balls as far as entertainment/enjoyment.
I'd much rather watch the young and pesky Bucks who play great team basketball and are growing up nightly before your eyes than my own damn team who has the best or 2nd best player on the planet. We need a coaching and style change - we should be running and gunning and passing around Holiday, AD23, and Anderson. Basically fire Monty and hire George Karl and this team would be so much more fun.
Compared to the glory Hornets of CP3, DX, TC6, and Peja, Pargo, that tall goofy white dude (who were an absolute blast to watch) this team sucks balls as far as entertainment/enjoyment.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 4:30 pm to NOLAbaby
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Excuse me for having a Pelicans bias on a Louisiana based message board called "Pelicans Talk"..
Please. There is a difference between rooting interest and failing to be objective. Lowe knows more about the Pels then this whole board combined.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 4:41 pm to SirWinston
Except stats disagree with your opinion.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 4:47 pm to NOLAbaby
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I just find it ignorant to bash the Pelicans team building strategy when right now they're just one player away. I like playoff basketball and dreaming/hoping for the improbable upset is a better way to spend your postseason as a fan than sitting in a bar waiting for the lottery draw.
Man do i agree with this. playoff basketball was so much fricking fun. That last year with CP3 even though we were the 8th seed and written off because of the david west injury, that Lakers series was awesome.
Say what you want but I'd much rather be in the position the pels are in than the 76ers'. This team has a talented core and all it takes is one FA signing or trade that could put this roster over the top. I know tanking is the "smart" thing to do, but frick that. Losing sucks.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:08 pm to whoknows1390
quote:The argument has always been that being 8th seed or right outside the playoffs, the treadmill, is the last place you want to be.
Man do i agree with this. playoff basketball was so much fricking fun. That last year with CP3 even though we were the 8th seed and written off because of the david west injury, that Lakers series was awesome.
But some site broke down the numbers a couple years and thats not actually true. They basically found that really bad teams stay really bad. Teams that hang around the playoffs...go from 9th to 8th, to 5th etc...; those are the teams that eventually turn into contenders.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:08 pm to SirWinston
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My problem with this team is that they're a chore to watch
then don't watch
Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:10 pm to whoknows1390
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Say what you want but I'd much rather be in the position the pels are in than the 76ers'. This team has a talented core and all it takes is one FA signing or trade that could put this roster over the top. I know tanking is the "smart" thing to do, but frick that. Losing sucks.
my favorite part about all of this is it's like they sit around and bitch about teams tanking, then you have a team that doesn't tank, gets players through FA, and they're like IT'S NOT THE WAY TO GO.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:17 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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You can't really disagree with anything he said. It does make me wonder if we'd be better off trading Anderson for a 2-way SF.
I got ripped for mentioning this over the summer.
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