re: Zach Lowe splashes a little cold water on Pels

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No one can argue with you because you are kinda saying that Bledsoe and Adams aren't the best guys we can get for spacing, shooting, etc. But they are actually pretty good at those things and your argument then is that even if they are good at those things Lonzo, Zion, etc will still struggle.

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They aren’t good at those things though.

Again, Bledsoe is a 26% catch and shoot three point player compared to Jrue’s 36%(on greater volume). Bledsoe is a 38% pull up shooter but takes them infrequently(less than one made pull up three a game), Jrue was 35% but took them frequently and connected on nearly two a game.

Adams hits around 42% of his shots from 3 feet to 16 feet. And while he took less, Favors hit 45% from the same space. I’d say Adams is the better shooter though and he is better around the rim, but I don’t think that difference makes us a well spaced team.

Beyond that I’m not sure you read what I wrote correctly. I said there is plenty of ways to have a more balanced team without a stretch five, and that balance may in fact be able to come internally with certain players improving(or demonstrating their ready for a bigger role).

But this response also gets to the point about having it both ways

People seem in agreement this is a mini transition year(which I agree) before we get more ideal pieces, but then many of you get incredibly defensive when people that agree with that point out the ways in which that is true. To which the response from some of you is to say nuh uh, it’s really not that way, things are fine as is, we don’t actually need x, y, or, z for this roster.

So either things are fine like this or this is a transition year. If things are fine as is than I guess we should be expecting this starting unit to anchor a championship run soon? If not, than I guess we need to discuss why that’s not the case and what may need to be upgraded/improve to get us there?

I feel like this is quickly becoming yet another thread where people are rage posting before reading:


Read my actual words pal:

So when it comes to what type of shooting team we will be, we are inarguably taking a step back on paper barring internal improvements from last season, and because we have a coach that has made it clear we aren’t going to make those sorts of trade offs this season.

I read it right the first time. What makes us worse on paper? You are acting like Jrue was our primary 3pt shooter? We still have Lonzo, JJ, Hart, and BI on the court. Also like I said Bledsoe was on a weird offense and should have a cleaner role on our team. Adams offense > Favors/ Jrue offense > Bledsoe. Both aren't even huge changes to begin with and at the very least its a tie or wash. Once again the only way we can "inarguably" shoot worse is your assumption that Lonzo, BI, and Zion simply shoot worse.

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It’s like some of you all are actually trying to talk yourself into the idea that this team would be no better off if we replaced Bledsoe’s abysmal 26% catch and shooting with a guard like Chris Paul or replaced Lonzo with a more dynamic scorer/facilitator like Brogdon

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who is against brogdon over lonzo for this year?

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or instead of Adams we had a big with the spacing capability of Kat or Al Horford.

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we can't get KAT and Horford would be bad

Ok Buddy, let’s break it down this way.

Last seasons 10 man rotation vs our expected rotation this year:

19-20
Jrue
Lonzo
Ingram
Zion
Favors
Reddick
Hayes
Hart
Melli
Moore

20-21
Bledsoe
Ball
Ingram
Zion
Adams
Reddick
Hart
Melli
Hayes
Naw

So you are replacing 2000 minutes of a more efficient Jrue for a less efficient Bledsoe. You are losing Moore and redistributing those minutes amongst guys that so far have not been more efficient spacers, you are adding Adams, who was only a moderately more voluminous jump shooter than Favors(but less efficient).

And you have a coach that by all indications will not be making the sort of reckless sacrifices to chase pace and space that Gentry was making.

So again, where is my statement false:

On paper, in the context of the above, barring internal improvements, we are unlikely to be a top 5 three shooting team like last season. We will be taking a step back in that department.

This doesn’t mean we will be a worse team, like NOFOX above I very much agree the philosophical shifts and player growth will make us an overall better team....I just don’t think we should be getting our hopes up about a top 5 three point shooting team, or that spacing won’t be an issue at times, given the context. Or that we don’t have some obvious upgrade needs or potential upgrade needs we will have to make in the coming seasons to address some of this stuff

So are you telling me a better player will take Moore's minutes? Sign me up! Look I love E'twuan but he took some bad shots and if that means that BI, Zion, etc have the ball an extra 5 minutes that's a good thing. I don't think we are thinking the same way here. It seems like you think Bledsoe will take the same shots Jrue will or have the ball as much. I think Bledsoe takes less shots at a more efficient clip and let's our stars take the extra shots. Its not an argument of Bledsoe vs Jrue if the team plays well. I'd rather BI and JJ taking 3's > Jrue. What makes you think Blessed won't pass it to them and shoot all the shots Jrue did?

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So are you telling me a better player will take Moore's minutes? Sign me up! Look I love E'twuan but he took some bad shots

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I mean statistically he took better shots than the guys that will be replacing him, there aren’t enough minutes to give all 1000 minutes and 437 shots to just Zion, Ingram, and Reddick. It doesn’t work like that. Keeping in mind also that he played in a system that was routinely willing to sacrifice basically any and everything to get fast break points and hit threes. That’s just the hard truth of it.

I mean do you really think this new SVG team, one that has already been communicated will not be chasing offense all game and trying to lead the league in pace, without any magical applications of improvement we can’t assume, will be top 5 in threes made AND 7th in efficiency?

And honest question, do you think this is our ideal championship caliber 8-10 man rotation as is? Or maybe, just maybe, this is a transition year and their are starting and back up roles we are going to want to find upgrades with.

#1. I think our pace slows down a little bit and we focus more on defense. In doing so yes I trust SVG will have some good plays and we should be pretty high in 3's and efficiency.

#2. Hell no, of course we need a few more pieces. Transition year is a weird saying because we should technically be transitioning for the playoffs and to continue to get better. I don't think its exactly the same as last year. Lonzo, JJ, and Hart are all free agents next season. That + the 12 mil we save from Adams should give us a lot of freedom to figure out the next step.

This year is going to be about feeding our star players and finding which players fit best next to them. That is why I think you are going about your Jrue/ Bledsoe comparison a little wrong. I think Bledsoe is here to do the 2 main things Jrue did which is play defense and be physical to the basket. Other than that he will also be auditioning to feed our star players. That is why I don't think we shoot worse. I don't think he takes those shots, SVG wants Lonzo, BI, etc to take those shots and he will have plays to make sure of it.