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re: Zach Lowe discusses the Pelicans draft night at length
Posted on 6/26/25 at 6:46 pm to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 6/26/25 at 6:46 pm to whatiknowsofar
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No, cj and olynk got us bey and poole. You cant just erase parts of a trade to justify your argument.
That’s your argument as to why I was wrong lol? That’s so weak. So Poole had more value on the open market than CJs expiring deal. Cus that’s what you implying.
No one cares about those pieces. They care about the major assets I said were moved. Which like I said was 100% right about.
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 6:49 pm
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Posted on 6/26/25 at 6:55 pm to PELsu
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I just want to say again, the Grizzlies traded a 2028 unprotected Magic first, and two seconds to move up only five spots. So they traded more for less. The true national difference is they all think the Pelican suck
It's not the same cause orlando will have all those guys in their prime In 3 yrs.
The pels could suck next yr and could end up giving a top 5 pick, and 23 for Derik queen.
And then to double down and give them an extra chance with the best of the pels or bucks pick makes it worse.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 6:58 pm to Townedrunkard
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No one cares about those pieces.
Clearly the teams that used them in the trade did haha
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That’s your argument as to why I was wrong lol? That’s so weak. So Poole had more value on the open market than CJs expiring deal. Cus that’s what you implying.
No, I'm saying you need all the puzzle pieces to make a puzzle.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 6:59 pm to Chalkywhite84
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And then to double down and give them an extra chance with the best of the pels or bucks pick makes it worse.
That’s the other thing that’s being under discussed
The Bucks are one Giannis injury or trade demand away from being awful
Wouldn’t bank on either, but it’s such an unnecessary risk to take on our part
Posted on 6/26/25 at 7:02 pm to cgrand
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a good point from hollinger
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Execs I talked to thought New Orleans could have moved up much higher than 13th if they had made that pick more widely available, perhaps even into the top 5.
The poster above said they offered it from 9 onto 13.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 7:03 pm to cgrand
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derik queen is as good or better than anyone he realistically could have gotten in next years draft
this IS the logic behind the move... and, lets say we improve by only 10 games, we are likely drafting around 11-14 next year anyway.... the East is wide open, so the Bucks very well could frick around and get in the play in, where Dame should be healthy by, so they could very well have the same odds and be picking around the same spot too....
this whole idea that either one of these picks next year will be top 3 or some shite is so fricking stupid... neither the Bucks nor the Pelicans will be absolute trash, and shite, as we saw this year, having the worst, even the 2nd to worst records doesn't guarantee the top 3, so at this point, frick it, make moves that you feel are going to improve and turn over your roster
Posted on 6/26/25 at 7:04 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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The Bucks are one Giannis injury or trade demand away from being awful
If Giannis is traded, our ‘27 pick will become extremely valuable.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 7:04 pm to Chalkywhite84
And presumably, the reason that Dumars didn't offer it to those drafting above #9 is that he felt sure that they wouldn't take it.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 7:13 pm to Chalkywhite84
yes I know
the thought is that had they offered it sooner, even before the draft, they may have gotten a top 5 bite
the thought is that had they offered it sooner, even before the draft, they may have gotten a top 5 bite
Posted on 6/26/25 at 7:13 pm to whatiknowsofar
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No, I'm saying you need all the puzzle pieces to make a puzzle.
The trade for Poole was happening regardless. Weaver wanted Bey so Okynk had to be included. Olynk was a throw in to make the salary for BI work. Just a contract.
Fact remains we gave up the best perimeter defender in the league during his 21 year old season, Brandon Ingram and three firsts, (two that are completely unprotected) for Murray and Queen.
That is a fricking horrible return and absolutely just flushing assets down the toilet….
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 6/26/25 at 7:16 pm to Townedrunkard
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Fact remains we gave up the best perimeter defender in the league during his 21 year old season, Ingram and three firsts, (two that are completely unprotected) for Murray and Queen.
That is a fricking horrible return and absolutely just flushing assets down the toilet….
and precisely some of the reasons that the previous GM was fired... we have a new GM, who is making moves that our previous GM would have been too scared to make
Posted on 6/26/25 at 7:27 pm to Townedrunkard
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Fact remains we gave up the best perimeter defender in the league during his 21 year old season, Brandon Ingram and three firsts, (two that are completely unprotected) for Murray and Queen.
It's only a fact if you remove major pieces of the trade.
Solid analysis bro
Posted on 6/26/25 at 8:37 pm to whatiknowsofar
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It's only a fact if you remove major pieces of the trade.
So a 34 year old journeyman big is a major piece of the trade huh? You really believe that?
If so that tells me all I need to know….
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 6/26/25 at 9:05 pm to Townedrunkard
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So a 34 year old journeyman big is a major piece of the trade huh? You really believe that?
Now we're just looking at the player and not the contract? Or are you going to tell me 13 mil expiring isn't worth anything?
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:50 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Now we're just looking at the player and not the contract? Or are you going to tell me 13 mil expiring isn't worth anything?
What do you realistically think he’s worth? Definitely not a first. A fake second? Yes that’s a major piece to bring in Poole was basically a salary dump by the warriors.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:45 pm to chRxis
Right, a way to look at the deal in context is where would Queen have been ranked in next year's class if he went back to Maryland and came out as a sophomore?
Conservatively, top 10. So Pels gave up 23 to get a guy this year that they could very well have taken next year with their first round pick if they ended up up in the top-half of the lottery. Maybe you disagree with that move, but it's not crazy.
The major point seems to be the Pels didn't get any protection on the '26 pick which the national draft geeks (egged on, I'm sure, by their front office egghead sources) treated like it was a mortal sin of draftology. But how much risk did they realistically fail to hedge? Pretty slight but not nonexistent. It could blow up on the Pels.
That was enough for the commentariat to default to their preexisting narratives about the Pelicans, Dumars, Zion, etc...
Meh. If Queen is top-10 worthy pick, what's the difference if you take him this year or next (it's better to get him sooner). If he's not, then you blew the pick either way. You could just have easily blown it next year as this year...
Conservatively, top 10. So Pels gave up 23 to get a guy this year that they could very well have taken next year with their first round pick if they ended up up in the top-half of the lottery. Maybe you disagree with that move, but it's not crazy.
The major point seems to be the Pels didn't get any protection on the '26 pick which the national draft geeks (egged on, I'm sure, by their front office egghead sources) treated like it was a mortal sin of draftology. But how much risk did they realistically fail to hedge? Pretty slight but not nonexistent. It could blow up on the Pels.
That was enough for the commentariat to default to their preexisting narratives about the Pelicans, Dumars, Zion, etc...
Meh. If Queen is top-10 worthy pick, what's the difference if you take him this year or next (it's better to get him sooner). If he's not, then you blew the pick either way. You could just have easily blown it next year as this year...
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 6/27/25 at 4:46 am to New City Champ
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Meh. If Queen is top-10 worthy pick, what's the difference if you take him this year or next (it's better to get him sooner). If he's not, then you blew the pick either way. You could just have easily blown it next year as this year..
Exactly my thoughts. Take the guy you scouted and you think will make you better right away, you do not wait and count on the lottery, as we saw the results for the tanking teams this year. If Queen ends up to be a bust, so be it. anyway there is a zaero guarantee they will scout the players better next year, even if it's a top 5-6 pick.
And if if it end's up being number 1 pick, how many No 1s have been MVPs in the last 20 years (i will tell you DRose and LeBum) or at least had some MVP caliber seasons (you can add AD). Steph was 7th, SGA was 11, Giannis 15, Joker - 41, Kobe, Dirk, Steve Nash... Even Embiid, Harden and Russ were either 3rd or 4th...
I agree that at least top4 protection would have made sense, but if it's true that 4 teams rejected the offer and they really think Queen will be a top player, then you pull the trigger.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 5:03 am to chRxis
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we have a new GM, who is making moves that our previous GM would have been too scared to make
Our new GM is too scared to fire Willie, a 21 win coach.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 6:03 am to Townedrunkard
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What do you realistically think he’s worth? Definitely not a first. A fake second? Yes that’s a major piece to bring in Poole was basically a salary dump by the warriors.
Dude you're clueless you have to realize players like olynk in those trades are needed and not just throw ins
This post was edited on 6/27/25 at 7:03 am
Posted on 6/27/25 at 6:14 am to GOP_Tiger
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And presumably, the reason that Dumars didn't offer it to those drafting above #9 is that he felt sure that they wouldn't take it.
GMs probably thought Dumars was pranking them and didn't take it seriously.
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